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Tuesday, March 20, 2012

How stupid can editors be?

HALIFAX, NOVA SCOTIA—Why have officials in Halifax, Nova Scotia spent thousands of taxpayer money to carry forth the vendetta and personal animosity of a city employee against a dog that belongs their neighbor?


Halifax , the city employee nor the owners of the ATTACKED dog don't have a vendetta or personal animosity against Fran. The problem is, Fran don't think the law or court orders apply to her. She will not take the rightful blame for not following any laws period.

Why is the city of Halifax determined to kill a dog, taking action that they never have in the past?

Brindi, a highly intelligent and loving rescue dog, has been kept in captivity for essentially three years since being arbitrarily and capriciously seized from her guardian.Not only is using city resources, money and power to exercise a personal cause unethical, it’s an egregious abuse of power and waste of tax dollars by Halifax officials that cries out for an investigation.


Well no. Fran is the one who started this, kept it going. She didn't follow the rules the first, second, third, fourth time. Even after she was told " the next time, Brindi would be killed". She was asked in court by a judge if she understood the rules to have Brindi back and she said YES. She was also asked if she had any questions pertaining to the muzzle order... she said NO.

Next Tuesday and Wednesday, Nov. 8 and 9, Brindi’s guardian, Francesca Rogier, heads to the Dartmouth Provincial Court at 9:30 a.m. to try and save the life of her beloved friend.


That time has come and gone. Poor baby got a boo boo on her wittle finger and CANCELLED court. Saying she couldn't prepare her brief or use the computer ( she only had a year to do it ).

WORLD WATCHING HALIFAX OFFICIALS TOO

The entire world is currently in tune to these outrageous acts against dogs by governmental agencies. The world is waiting to see if the Belfast City Council in Belfast, Northern Ireland acts responsibly in the case of Lennox, seized under the Dangerous Dog Act, imprisoned in a secret location since May 2010 simply because he looks like a pit bull. His assessments by impartial qualified dog experts all show that he is non-aggressive.

This whole scenario is happening over and over and over. Will your dog become the next victim of arbitrary and retaliatory government using your own tax dollars to combat you and your family pet?

This article may not be reprinted or republished without the express written permission of The North Country Gazette.Two dogs seized under the Dangerous Dog Act in the United Kingdom have been returned to their owners this past week. Two other dogs, Simba and Venus, remain on death row but there are committed, ongoing efforts to free the dogs and release them to their owners.


DON'T YOU DARE compare an irresponsible selfish owner with Lennox.



Meanwhile, the House of Lords has agreed that the Dangerous Dog Act doesn’t work and needs an overhaul—-and they have voted unanimously to do so.

Now the eyes of the world are focused on Canada—Halifax, Nova Scotia to be exact where the atrocities against a seven-year-old shepherd mix are almost beyond imagination.

On Tuesday and Wednesday, Nov. 8 and 9, Brindi’s owner, Francesca Rogier, will be put on trial for bylaw infractions stemming from a minor scuffle with a dog in front of her house on Sept. 14, 2010. The dog was not seriously harmed. The owners were related to the people who first reported Brindi to the city, and one of them works for the city of Halifax.


So what if the owners of Lucy is related to one of the other dogs Brindi attacked. Does that make it not true? What does it matter where the owner work? That STILL don't mean it never happened. The " scuffle " didn't happen in front of Fran's house, it happen on a PUBLIC ROAD.

Experts have previously testified on behalf of Brindi, that her “issues” can be corrected with training and in no way constitutes a death warrant”.


That I agree with EXCEPT it won't happen with this owner.

If the court finds Francesca guilty on any charge, the prosecutor for Halifax says he will invoke a law allowing the court to order a dog put down as an “additional penalty”.


The prosecutor can ask for anything, just like Fran can ( and has )... the judge DOES NOT have to order it.

For more information, and the trainer’s assessment, seehttp://freebrindi.blogspot.com/

USE REASON IN ENFORCING DOG LAWS

Any dog law, no matter in what country or jurisdiction, must be enforced using reason and discretion


TRUE... their reason is because SHE WILL NOT ADHERE to any law or court order.

Municipalities have a role to insure public safety, but within reason: they must also treat dogs and owners fairly.Bylaw infractions are minor offenses that are meant to be fined.Killing a dog is not a fair or moral penalty for any by-law infraction.If a city seeks to kill a dog it says is dangerous, it must present proper grounds. It must have proof that it has attacked with the intent to kill or do serious harm. It cannot fairly ask for “pre-emptive” action.Dogs that fight dogs are not necessarily a threat to public safety (dogs are not part of the public – if they were, they would have rights!).Dogs typically fight dogs as a way to establish dominance. It is no indication they will attack humans. Dogs can be trained out of this behavior.Fatalities due to dog attacks rank very low on the list of causes of accidental death and injury. They are not even among the top 50.UNFAIR TREATMENT OF DOGS AND OWNERS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE

Municipalities should be held to a consistent standard that is in keeping with their usual enforcement of the law.Halifaxdecided in 2008 to muzzle, then seize and destroy Brindi, fully aware that she had never attacked a person and had not injured dogs at all, except for one minor injury that was treated with first aid.Halifax’s decision to kill Brindi was thus way out of line with its customary enforcement. Its decision to seize Brindi once again is not only cruel and unusual punishment itself, but also in stark contrast with its handling of a recent case of a pit bull that attacked a woman in the throat and face.The city has never had Brindi’s behavior evaluated professionally. It will not be bringing an expert witness to the stand next week. (An animal control officer will testify, but she is not qualified in dog training and behavior.)Clearly Halifax is not pursuing this case in the interest of public safetyBOTTOM LINE: BRINDI IS NOT A KILLER AND MUST NOT BE KILLED

Brindi was evaluated by several trainers and behaviorists at the request of her owner. None of these deemed Brindi dangerous. They regard her as territorial, and suggested more training.Brindi’s owner observed all court-imposed conditions for Brindi’s return.The conditions are following a muzzle order, building and maintaining a dog run, and doing further training.The conditions were identical to the conditions she originally offered to the city in 2008, but were met with no response from the city.The incident leading to Brindi’s second seizure and third year behind bars was an accidental event. Freak accidents do happen: people should not be punished for them by the destruction of a beloved family member.Moreover, the incident was no more serious than previous incidents. Like those, it occurred on or near her property (i.e. at most, a few feet from the boundary).Brindi simply needed more time to readjust to her surroundings after being locked up for two years without contact with other dogs.Francesca worked with trainer Susan Jordan. She did more training that was required and continued after Brindi was released – not because a court ordered it, but because she wanted Brindi to be as perfect as possible.This time, Ms. Rogier, Brindi’s guardian, has been charged with owning a dog that runs at large, owning a dog that attacked another animal and failure to comply with a notice to muzzle the dog.

The charges, even if true, certainly do not warrant destroying a dog and in fact, according to Ms. Rogier, there’s no precedent for ordering the dog destroyed. If the court should find Ms. Rogier guilty of the charges, then she’s the one that should be penalized, not the dog and certainly not by destroying the dog.


There is no precedent.. that's true... then again, there has not been another FRAN ROGIER.

But at the end of the day, NO, Brindi does not deserve to be their pawn. She does not deserve to die. She is just protective and territorial, like most dogs.

Rogier, 50, an American citizen, an architectural professor and a Fulbright Scholar, has exhausted $30,000 in savings on lawyers. She has put her architectural career on the back burner, trying to save the life of her precious Brindi.


No she didn't.... all the conning she has done for donations are paying for her legal bills.... the ones she asked for and the donations for Brindi's " illnesses" that was never confirmed or proven. Which BTW she has been representing herself for a few years now. Mainly because she won't pay them and now no lawyer will take her on. She is that hard to deal with.

BRINDI HELD IN POUND FOR 3 YEARS

Brindi has been in a pound for essentially the past three years except for a short reprieve from July 2010 until she was seized again in September 2010. The family has run out of money trying to save the dog and has been trying to raise funds to bring Brindi home.


NOT TRUE. Brindi hasn't been in the pound all that time. Brindi was HOUSED ( under contract ) at the NSSPCA until the new city pound opened. One of Fran's "friends " owned the new pound and Fran fought to have Brindi put there. I guess because she thought her friend would allow her to see Brindi and do whatever she wanted when she wanted. But she found out real fast that would not be the case. Then Brindi was taken to a training facility/ kennel. After that was when Brindi was given back to Fran ( see the judge does not have to do what anyone ( lawyer or defendant )wants them to do.


Individuals may donate to help pay for legal costs. Go tohttp://freebrindi.blogspot.com/ and click on the DONATE button. or click here: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=9595134• Participate in an auction at: http://www.epier.com/auctions.asp?franya• Buy a FREE BRINDI t-shirt at http://www.cafepress.com/freebrindiClick here to sign the Free Brindi petition.


That says it all.... it is ALWAYS about her legal bills

Click here for the Free Brindi website.

Click here for Brindi’s Facebook page.

Brindi is not at the SPCA, she is at the city pound, this is all controlled by the Halifax Regional Municipality and therefore can be stopped by them only. Those who believe that Brindi can be re-homed, it is not an option so if Francesca gives up, the city kills Brindi.


NOT TRUE

Keeping a dog in a pound indefinitely is detrimental to its health. Killing a dog that is not dangerous goes against the principle of protection of animal welfare yet the SPCA is participating in this abuse, Rogier says.


NOT TRUE ALSO. The HRM / CITY POUND can ask for destruction but the judge DON'T have to agree. The SPCA NEVER participated in anything EXCEPT house Brindi and took care of her. Kept her safe.

It is willing to kill this dog, while earning money for it (no less than $414,000 a year, at present), according to Rogier. Having kept silent for six months, ignoring her owner’s pleas for help, last January the Nova Scotia SPCA began repeatedly asking the city to “re-home” Brindi. Not only is this something the city cannot legally do (without a judge’s order); it would be a wrong and cruel thing to do to an owner who has sacrificed so much for the sake of her beloved pet and it would be cruel to a dog that was neglected for years and has never known any other home.


Yes the SPCA put forth a request to re-home Brindi because unlike you ( the editor ) they and many other people who are not so gullible knew and know what is going to happen. Fran has proven on more then 3 occasions she is NOT a responsible owner and not a good owner for a dog with issues.

Brindi has already spent half her life behind bars. She may lose her life altogether unless somebody does something to let Brindi go home where she belongs!!!


Unless Fran ASKS the COURT to spare Brindi and release her to a reputable rescue with no interference from her.... this dog WILL DIE. Fran will be the only one with BLOOD ON HER HANDS.

Brindi had been incarcerated from July 24, 2008 to July 2010 in the SPCA kennels on death row in Halifax, Canada and has been held in the city pound since being seized again in September, 2010. Her fate still hangs by a thread. She is condemned to die for nothing other than just being a dog. Now, Canada is still intent on killing a defenseless dog and Brindi’s time may be up, Rogier says.


Brindi didn't just attack ONE dog..... this last one was the 4th ( FOURTH) reported one.

Brindi has never attacked or threatened a person. She never killed or caused serious injury to anyone or anything. Rogier describes her as “ just a good natured mutt, 6-years-old” rescued from a shelter in 2007 by Rogier.


It's true Brindi has never attacked a person. But she did knock a person down while she was trying to get that persons dog.

Sadly, she only knew freedom for a short amount of time before she was incarcerated by the City of Halifax.


BECAUSE OF HER OWNER.

In addition to seizing the dog, city actions are threatening Francesca’s home, she says. She owns it outright and always kept up with the property taxes. The city set up a situation where it can take her house next summer by charging her for a fence that was not required, with boarding that was not required, and putting the total of $10,000 onto her tax bill, plus 15% interest.


The fence was required. The property was all torn up ( for a few years ) and was dangerous. Children could have easily been hurt ( you know kids and construction sites ). She was told to erect one but didn't so the city HAD to do it. Why should taxpayers have to pay for her AGAIN?


She says this action is highly unusual and conveniently allows the city to seize and auction off her property within a year – next June – if the bill is not paid in full by then. This is the last part of the city’s overt effort to block her from asking a judge to release Brindi.


It's NOT highly unusual.... her house was dangerous and just like other dangerous properties, you have a certain time limit to do the work or you lose it.

She says it began with a baseless eviction order followed by a demolition order. She was not permitted to appeal either. She was evicted, but she narrowly evaded demolition by restarting construction.

RETALIATORY ACTION

Why did Halifax do all this? Rogier says the fact is that the city has always lacked the legal authority to detain a dog indefinitely. It had no proper defense, so it took drastic and brazen action to prevent her from going to court to get Brindi out pending trial (or permanently). The actions began with the day before Francesca first tried to get an injunction; the eviction a few weeks later prevented her seeing that through.


BULLSHIT. If anyone believes this crap, I own the USA and I can sell it to you for a good deal.

The city manipulated facts and did several end-runs around the laws to do all these things, she says. After taking Brindi without just cause in 2008 and refusing to return her, it dragged out the battle for two years.


It is " she says "... and she is one of the biggest liars around. She loves to twist facts so she sounds like the victim when actually ALL DOG OWNER and the HRM citizens are the victims.

Francesca is an architect and was supervising construction on her house – a foundation and a new garage – with a valid permit, etc.: but she was forced to suspend the work to fight for Brindi. Essentially, the city exploited a situation that it created. And yet, she had a valid permit throughout, and her house is a heritage property.

It’s been war against a lone woman and her dog from day one. She says it’s never been a fair fight.


LMAO... SHE SAYS... says it all.

Halifax has a very bad reputation in general when it comes to treatment of property owners and individuals, according to Rogier.

Again.. SHE SAYS

“It’s record of dog cases is very uneven and dubious as well, but with Brindi it reached a new low. Whether your dog is seized and destroyed depends on who you are”, she says. She is a newcomer in her area, without connections or great wealth.

“Even the courts are biased”, she says and says she couldn’t even get a court to hear her application to release Brindi, or order that she be allowed to visit her regularly.

HALIFAX IN CONTEMPT OF SUPREME COURT’S RULING

On July 24, 2008, a few days after a minor encounter with another dog, animal control officers armed with a warrant and euthanization order, seized Brindi from her home without notice. She then languished on death row, even after winning a landmark Supreme Court battle in 2009 ordering the original euthanasia order null and void.

To date, Rogier says the City of Halifax has spent over $417,000 on Brindi’s detainment in refusing to release her. Unbelievably, Nova Scotia, Canada seems to be the first country ignoring its own Supreme Court Justice’s ruling, Rogier says.http://www.courts.ns.ca/decisions_recent/documents/2009nssc14.pdf

Brindi was confined indefinitely in a short term facility. Recently, Brindi needed biopsy surgery of a suspected cancer growth found near her spine. Her teeth have deteriorated because she was denied her favorite “chew” toys and raw beef bones that her owner and friends brought to her on a regular basis.

She now suffers from painful and chronic pancreatitis due to the stressful conditions of her confinement. According to many, “It is concerning and distressing to think that this innocent and once healthy pet, has been detained and made to languish in isolation as pawns in political bureaucracy. She has been reduced to such poor physical state that it actually constitutes animal cruelty and neglect at its finest, and all at the hands of a governing agency.”

Experts have testified and reported that, “Regardless of the tremendous pain and isolation of her confinement, Brindi is still a friendly, well adjusted dog that poses no danger to the public in any way.” For more information, and the trainer’s assessment, seehttp://freebrindi.blogspot.com/

Brindi has been evaluated as “not dangerous” and highly trainable. During eight weeks of obedience class, which she passed with ease, she had no issues with other dogs. Experts have testified her issues can be corrected with training and in no way constitutes a death warrant. Even after desperate attempts in creating public awareness and gaining public support and sympathy, creating petitions, informational videos, protests and massive email campaigns to government officials, candlelight vigils in worldwide support for Brindi’s case, Canada has failed to compromise in a humane resolution of this precious dog.

According to some individuals close to the case, “Speculation into corruption of government officials and growing questions as to what the true motivations are behind such a case. Brindi is just a dog, defenseless to man, that has done nothing wrong other than be born. Brindi may be condemned to die after a few harmless dog squabbles. She is needlessly languishing and slowly deteriorating on a government’s whim.”

As in courts in the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland, the case of Brindi brings to light some disturbing observations of some archaic and dangerous laws being practiced in the courts of Canada, where Brindi’s case seems to lack in common sense, decency and most importantly, in humanity.

One can not help but wonder how such stories reach far and wide, no matter the nation, no matter where in the world and that it is only a matter of time before another “Brindi” reaches our own front doors, and it could be one of our dogs. Would we care then?

USE COMMON SENSE, NOT ABUSE OF POWER

Found abandoned with five puppies, Brindi waited two years in a shelter before Fracesca Rogier adopted her in 2007. Ms. Rogier had her microchipped, spayed and vaccinated. Brindi did very well in obedience class and obeys many commands. She loves her owner and is gentle and safe around infants, children and adults. She even lived peacefully with two cats.

Brindi, or rather Rogier, was charged in September 2010 with a total of three offenses that were minor by any comparison. They happened when Brindi accidentally got loose and ran up to dogs being walked along the road at her property line. Only the second offense resulted in an injury, a small tooth puncture requiring minimal vet care, for which Ms. Rogier voluntarily paid. As most dogs, Brindi is territorial, protective of her property and her owner.

After this, the city issued a muzzle order. In Halifax By-Law A300, a muzzle order is one of six ways to deem a dog dangerous. The authorities construe this as a sanction for seizure and euthanization for any further violations. So, because she was not wearing her muzzle on the third offense, they seized her without warning four days later, even though the other dog was not grabbed or injured.

This blanket imposition of the maximum penalty for minor offenses is unjust. Halifax has already recognized that Brindi is not a threat to humans. It was informed by two respected trainers that her wayward behavior does not signify aggression and definitely can be corrected yet the city apparently prefers to have her pay the ultimate price for human error, rather than accept reasonable alternatives that would both maintain safety and keep her alive.

Clearly, Brindi does not deserve to die. Ms. Rogier is desperate to have her precious dog back. She has already built fenced enclosures attached to her home entrances, engaged a private trainer and offered to pay all fines and costs.

STRONG PUBLIC OPPOSITION

There is strong public opposition to the euthanization of Brindi and many have appealed to HRM Animal Services and the City Council to accept Ms. Rogier’s reasonable and responsible offer so that Brindi can go home immediately.

On Sept. 14, 2010, Brindi and Francesca were returning home from a long day of errands. Brindi was unmuzzled as she had been confined, riding in the car. As they were emerging from the car, Brindi bolted when seeing another dog being walked past the driveway by neighbors related to those who first reported her and also happen to work for the city. A scuffle between the dogs ensued.

“They were determined to see Brindi killed”, Rogier says. “They both admit to kicking her repeatedly (both at once!) and Brindi did not try to retaliate in any way”. They were not criminally charged.

Though this was a minor incident, a freak accident as Brindi was not running at large, the city dog catchers seized Brindi within days. She’s been locked up ever since, and Francesca is not allowed to visit her.

Rogier says this happened 10 weeks after Brindi was released from two years in the pound.

“Halifax had seized her without warning or laying charges, issued a euthanasia order, and offered no right of appeal — they would not even read letters or meet with me and her lawyer about it”.

Though she won a case in January 2009, Halifax had refused to return Brindi, and instead laid charges — the first ever in the city of Halifax. It took another 18 months before a judge finally released Brindi in July 2010 with conditions identical to those that Francesca had volunteered to set into place at the start. Brindi came home with two chronic health conditions — but she was alive.

“Sadly, Halifax was just waiting for an excuse to get her again”, Rogier says, “for the kind of scuffle that happens daily in the dog parks and on the streets, which many would not bother to even report”.

The incident from last September was no different than the others, Rogier says and resulted in only superficial wounds to the dog which was essentially trespassing on Rogier’s property.. However, they were not arrested.

BRINDI KICKED REPEATEDLY, ABUSERS NOT CHARGED

“In fact, the people with the other dog kicked Brindi in the head and stomach repeatedly”, Rogier says. “She did not turn on them. She let me take her into the house. Because the courts were booked up, the trial was postponed for over a year.

It will be held Nov. 8-9 in Dartmouth, Nova Scotia.

“These “trials” typically last less than a half hour, but two days are scheduled because it is being treated like a criminal case” she said. “Even though Halifax does not have very much to show why Brindi should be killed, it is using every technicality possible”.

While dog by-law infractions are simply fined, Halifax will try to use one to three guilty verdicts to get the judge to then impose an “additional penalty” on Francesca: namely, to order that they kill Brindi”.

The current situation makes it clear that the reason Brindi was seized is not because she is particularly dangerous. Halifax arbitrarily decided to target her back in 2008: it will not be deterred by logic, law, or compassion. Last December, Francesca tried to get Halifax to let Brindi go pending trial, or even adopt her permanently, or let the two of them leave Halifax and return to the U.S. — but Halifax said no. She has no lawyer, as she cannot afford one after the previous ordeal which cost her $30,000. Even if she had the money, there are no animal law practitioners in Nova Scotia, and most lawyers do not want to take a case like this.

Excerpts in a video about Brindi include Francesca, Eileen McInnis, CBC Reporter and Sandra Flemming, SPCA Director — all attesting to the goodness of Brindi. This is a direct opposite of the behaviorHalifax officials and Rogier’s critics would have you believe is Brindi.

Despite all the attacks and egregious behavior directed towards Brindi byHalifaxofficials, she has never escalated in her behavior, which experts say is primarily territorial, not “dog-aggressive”

She has never shown any aggression towards people, even when they kick her in the head and stomach

The city’s request that Brindi be killed is an “additional penalty” beyond what the by-laws require for a violation. There are fines and there are “additional penalties” that the city can seek. In this case, the additional penalties are death.

The city of Halifax has taken extreme retaliative action against Francesca for her success in saving her dog.

“How can you kill a dog who will not attack when it is being harmed by strangers??”, Rogier asks. “The incident was clearly an accident, but the city has a vendetta”.

Having lost twice to Francesca, city officials—unethically promulgating the case of a city employee—is now apparently hoping to convince a court that she did not obey court conditions. They even used illegally obtained recordings to obtain the seizure warrant, she says. And when she tried to get an injunction for Brindi’s release, she says they did all they could to obstruct it.

Halifax officials used their power and position to have her immigration status investigated and sent building officials after her, who issued contradictory orders to secure her home – a home renovation postponed because of Brindi’s prior ordeal. Then, they evicted her anyway, falsely claiming it was unsafe, and denying her the right to appeal the eviction.

Rogier emigrated toNova Scotia in 2006 with a simple dream of fixing up an old house and keeping a dog and two cats as family. She says she was ripped off by a fraudulent contractor who went bankrupt and left her home high and dry. She battled for two years to save her dog, costing her over $30,000 and bleeding dry her savings.

UNKIND NEIGHBORS WANTS DOG DEAD

Her success was short-lived, tragically, as unkind neighbors directly related to the same family who first reported Brindi for a harmless scuffle. They eagerly cooperated with the animal control manager who signed the death order in 2008 after setting her up with an unfairly imposed muzzle order.

Francesca is in dire straits now, because after she met the demands of building officials, doing exactly as an engineer required, they evicted her anyway. She was given minutes to pack some belongings and forced to leave her cat behind. She returned the next night to find that Amelia the cat was trapped in the house and the water heater was broken. It was fully functioning the day before and HRM employees admit suspiciously that they “saw” it was detached from the pipe. As she used the hot water minutes before leaving, this can only mean they did the deed, she says. Hurricanes and winds did not do this in two years!!

She says HRM has lied in public about her heat and water lacking, and about her house being unsafe. Yet they are unable to lie to her about it as a reason for eviction. Instead, they are autocratically demanding she complete all construction before she can move back in. This is unheard of anywhere inNorth America! As is the attempt to kill a dog that has never killed or seriously harmed an animal, let alone ONCE bit or threatened a human”, she says emphatically.

HRM (Halifax) have tied her hands so she cannot save herself or her dog: having forced her to spend thousands on the added work in October, they evicted her without notice last November. They also chased off reputable contractors by lying to the press, and are now demanding she submit to their control. She must submit a work schedule that she cannot possibly guarantee with winter weather setting in. Their plan is to move to the next step of claiming she is not serious about finishing and will likely revoke her construction permit very soon. This is a house she loves dearly and planned her new life there with Brindi. She designed a beautiful new garage and basement as a foundation. She lost half of her budget to legal costs yet still wants to make it happen.

Francesca has a right to her dream just as she has a right to be with her dog. Brindi has a right to live in a loving home.

There is no reason on earth for such unacceptable and brutal treatment of a lone female immigrant who worked hard to become a professional and a teacher, and worked hard to train her dog well – Brindi did not bite these peop[le even when they kicked her in the head!!! The only “reason” is that these local civil servants have a chip on their shoulder and want to punish Francesca for standing up for her rights so that she could protect her dog.

They are accustomed to misusing the law to get what they want. That is how they took Brindi for two years and did it again, and that is how they evicted Francesca and are now making it impossible to finish the house, and that will be how they take the house away from her entirely, her supporters say.

IMPASSIONED PLEA IN DEFENSE OF A DOG

In 1870, U.S. Sen. Vest was addressing the jury in a court case in defense of a dog. This is part of his impassioned plea:

”The one absolutely unselfish friend a man can have in this selfish world, the one that never deserts him, the one that never proves ungrateful or treacherous is his dog. A man’s dog stands by him in prosperity and in poverty, in health and in sickness. He will sleep on the ground, where the wintry winds blow and the snow drives fiercely, if only he may be at his master’s side.

He will kiss the hand that has no food to offer. He will lick the wounds and sores that come from the encounter with the roughness of the world.

He guards the sleep of his pauper master as if he were a prince. When all other friends desert, he remains. When riches take wings and

reputation falls to pieces, he is a constant in his love as the sun in its journey through the heavens”.

Brindi deserves to come home.

• See letters of support at: http://supportbrindi.blogspot.com/• Sign the Free Brindi ipetition:http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/FREEBRINDI/• Care2 Alert: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/free-brindi-this-dog-must-not-be-euthanized• Write to public officials – see the discussion topics

http://supportbrindi.blogspot.com/On Facebook, see the group Save Brindi and Francesca from City of Halifax https://www.facebook.com/groups/35473542760/

On Twitter, follow @BrindisMom (Free my dog Brindi!!) @franyafranya (freedom and justice for all!)

There’s also an events page, Raise Awareness for Brindi

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=221705961228541

Please email the following people and let them know that you feel the city’s goal to exact an additional penalty — the killing of Brindi — is unjust and cruel on many grounds.

Please voice your disagreement over the city’s goal to kill Brindi. It is unreasonable and unjust. Minister of Justice Ross Landry: justmin@gov.ns.ca . He has the power to stop the case from going ahead.

He has the power and should order an investigation of the city’s handling of the matter and its use of taxpayer funds to prosecute the case brought on complaint of a city employee. That’s a prohibited conflict of interest as well as using the city building officials against Rogier.

Others to contact:

Mayor Peter Kelly: kellyp@halifax.ca

HRM elected councilors: harveyb@halifax.ca , adamss@halifax.ca, barry.dalrymple@halifax.ca, brad.johns@halifax.ca, darren.fisher@halifax.ca, David.Hendsbee@halifax.ca, sloaned@halifax.ca, humd@halifax.ca, jennifer.watts@halifax.ca, karsteb@halifax.ca, lorelei.nicoll@halifax.ca, mcclusg@halifax.ca, mosherl@halifax.ca, outhitt@halifax.ca, peter.lund@halifax.ca, rankinr@halifax.ca, streats@halifax.ca, smithj@halifax.ca, utecks@halifax.ca, walkerr@halifax.ca, wilema@halifax.ca

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This " newspaper " or whatever it's suppose to be is no different then FRAN... greedy, liars, fact twisters and non fact seekers. As the saying goes... birds of a feather flock together.

WHO LET THE DOG OUT? WOOF WOOF

FRAN let the dog out.

WHO let the dog out? NOT HRM, NOT AC. FRAN LET THE DOG OUT!!!

Sunday, March 18, 2012

Taken from another group

Jenn Richardson Gail was this third option read in court?
18 hours ago
Gail Gallant nope.... she can put it in her submission
17 hours ago
Gail Gallant Judge Murphy gave her a chance at the last trial but she refused it....
17 hours ago · 2
Jenn Richardson hmm I was there and don't remember that at the last trial?
17 hours ago
Gail Gallant you were NOT there when the judge said that... I was. It was the day the trainer was agreed upon pending his credentials
17 hours ago · 1
Gail Gallant That was the last day for court.... it was expected for one more day but the judge ruled outside of court.
17 hours ago
Jenn Richardson Unfortunately, the Court's documents are not yet available in electronic form. All searches are manual, requiring a review of any files the title of which contains the name in question. There are 10 judicial districts in the province. If a province wide search is required, it must be a manual search in each of the 10 offices. We do not have sufficient court staff to perform this type of search. Additionally, any such search would reveal the name sought only if it appears in the file name, i.e.: if the person was a party to a legal action at the time it was commenced. It would not produce all files in which the person sought to be identified was involved in the action but not a party - for example, as a witness, or a file where the person was added as a party after the file was named. For these reasons the person requiring the search normally retains an agent law firm in Nova Scotia to conduct the search. It can be done by individuals who are prepared to attend at the various judicial sites and go through the manual index. On the other hand if a request comes for copies of materials on a certain file and the requestor can provide the file number from which they require documents, the court staff will provide, at a cost, the specific copies.
17 hours ago
Jenn Richardson I would love to see this any one got it?
17 hours ago
Gail Gallant I don't have it... I just know from first hand what was said... the judge said she wanted a third option as opposed to killing Brindi or giving her back to fran... the judge said she hoped one would come. fran stood up in court and said it was not an option. If she couldn't have her.....
17 hours ago · 1
Gail Gallant frankly I was praying she would take the judge up on the offer seeing as she didn't have to pose it.
17 hours ago · 1
Jenn Richardson really she actually said it is not an option if I can't have her?
17 hours ago
Gail Gallant yes... honestly it floored me and most people who were there ( court was almost full )
17 hours ago · 1
Gail Gallant court was almost full because there were other cases before her's
17 hours ago
Gail Gallant and other cases after
17 hours ago
Gail Gallant I couldn't believe she said that.... she was given a chance and would not take it.
17 hours ago · 1
Jenn Richardson No offense, but I am waiting to see the transcript someone is emailing me. I thought I saw it posted somewhere, can't remember where...
16 hours ago
Gail Gallant none taken.... hope you do the same with everything ANYONE tells you
16 hours ago · 1
Robert Riley Just a small correction=it was court room #2 and there was 6 people in the room that included me and I heard everthing that went on and was said.
16 hours ago · 1
Robert Riley That info stays with me until I converse with Ms,Rogier.
16 hours ago
Jak Thomas Better check with Milo to Bob!
16 hours ago · 1
Gail Gallant talking about 2 different court cases
16 hours ago
Joy McDonald LOL, poor guy.
16 hours ago · 1
Gail Gallant also correction for you bob... there WERE 6 people before the lunch break... then there were 5. 4 on your side of the room and me on the other.
16 hours ago · 1
Peggy A. MacIntyre I think Gail is right,Jenn,I do remember her saying, that, but I think, put in her case I would be irrational too.I also remember her asking to re home Brindi as a last resort.Knowing Fran, she will fight to the end, but also knowing Fran, she will not let Brindi die.
15 hours ago
Emma Richards HER MOUTH WILL LIKELY GET THE BEST OF HER AND POOR BRINDI WILL END UP DEAD...
15 hours ago · 1
Emma Richards sorry capps
15 hours ago
Jenn Richardson OK so far I found this:
15 hours ago
Jenn Richardson ‎1 THE COURT: Now I want to be very clear in relation to a
2 sentencing hearing. I’m cognizant from remarks that have been
3 made by both parties during the trial and before that there is a
4 marked divergence as to what each party thinks should happen in
5 relation to sentencing. And without speaking for either party,
6 the Municipality has made it quite clear, as I think I made quite
7 clear in my decision, that they wish to have the dog euthanized.
8 Ms. Rogier is clearly extremely opposed to that and would like to
9 the dog returned to her. I am expecting that this matter will be
10 set down for a sentencing hearing and I want to put both parties
11 on notice that I want both parties to bring all the authority and
12 justification before me for the respected positions. There is
13 obviously significant repercussions potentially and I will not
14 make any decisions lightly and without significant deliberation.
15 hours ago
Jenn Richardson this is from page 38 of this:
15 hours ago
Jenn Richardson hmmm can't copy to here, will try to figure it out later on my way out for a bit..
15 hours ago
Gail Gallant Peggy... I really do hope you are right. I hope she don't wait til it's to late.
14 hours ago
Gail Gallant Jenn... send it to me please
14 hours ago
Peggy A. MacIntyre Gail, by the way... How are you doing? I do realize Fran made mistakes & that doesn't matter to me, but not wanting a beautiful dog killed by the city ,does matter a great deal to me. I know and you know what it feels like to loose one of our baby's. I know that's how Fran feels & I have so much pity for anyone who looses their pet,no matter what the reason. Fran will always want Brindi home ( as any one of us would) but giving no options, she will let them re home her.
13 hours ago
Gail Gallant Go to chat Peggy?
13 hours ago
Peggy A. MacIntyre My chat is on,but I think we need to be friends.lol
13 hours ago
Francesca Rogier One of the 924 signatures on the Care2 petition:

# 908: 6:51 pm PDT, Sep 9, Patricia Howarth, Rhode Island
I am the Animal Control Officer in Scituate, Rhode Island and am appalled that you would give the death sentence for such minor infractions. We have vicious dog laws in our state also but let the punishment fit the crime. I don't know what government agency or group came up with your rules, but, Shame shame shame. I'm sure glad I live here.
11 hours ago
Jak Thomas ‎231 comments in 3 days,could hit 5000 by May 10....Love it.
11 hours ago · 1
Francesca Rogier The officer who seized Brindi in 2008:
> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 12:30:18 -0300
> From: hammt@halifax.ca
> To: Bob Riley
> Subject: Re: Tim I thought I would give you a heads up to watch...
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> Sorry I just got the e-mail today, so I missed the news. I no longer support Ms Scolaro or MacDonald with their pursuit of this case, and I have not for quite some time. I feel I acted with good intentions and did not expect this case to be so drawn out or adversarial. I am not qualified to inspect a fence, nor am I qualified to accept/reject a trainer. I do not think this office is run professionally and wish you all the best.
>
> Tim
>
11 hours ago
Joy McDonald I see Fran put her rose colored glasses on for all her foreign supporters. I hate to see people duped.
11 hours ago · 2
Dwaine Dixon ‎231 comments in 3 days.

Our priorities are clear.
11 hours ago
Francesca Rogier From: Olive Pastor, Pictou Sat. March 17
Hi Francesca:
I am so sorry for how your day went yesterday. I feel so inadequate to be able to help you and Brindi. This is so unfair. I don't know what is wrong with these people. They have their little positions at HRM and in the Court System and they are playing God with your life. I think they have forgotten who they serve, the people. How are they serving anything but their own self-interest and that of those who are tormenting you. And everyone who could have helped to get a fair and peaceful solution had no guts to stand up for you. What a waste of the talent you could have brought to this province. What a waste of the tax-payers money. What a disgrace they at HRM have brought onto the name of this province. What a waste of your time defending yourself. What a waste of good relations with a new immigrant. What a waste to the Heritage Building Program.
And what a waste of Brindi's life. What an act of cruelty on the part of HRM staff and council to have Brindi locked up all this time just to prove they have the power to do it. Very small and vindictive minds by those in your community who have put you and your dog in this position, and those who work at Animal Control and the planning division of HRM.
What does anyone gain in the Municipal Government and in the court system? It is all beyond me, I just hope you can rise above this mean -spiritedness. So very very sorry and ashamed of my fellow Nova Scotians.
Olive
11 hours ago
Gail Gallant got nothing to do with priorities... no different then if you support one charity and I another.... doesn't mean we don't care about the other.
11 hours ago · 2
Francesca Rogier From: Dora Hoffer Date: 1/8/2012 9:41:56 PM
Subject: RE: LOCKED UP PET DOG BRINDI - YOUR BAN TO ALLOW PICTURES OF HER IS UNACCEPTABLE, LEGALLY UNJUSTIFIED
TO. Mary Ellen Donovan, Director of Legal Services HRM
Ms Donovan,

I've known Francesca Rogier for many years now and followed her through her continuing ordeal that was caused by HRM staff like yourself, with unbearable emotional and financial harm to her. After nearly four years, I am convinced that you and your city simply have some kind of grudge against this intelligent and educated person and her amazing dog Brindi.
I advised her in 2010 to report HRM's actions to the UN’s Canadian office, but she's been too stressed to do so and others cannot file complaint for a person.
We all know about the ongoing harm the different officers on different political levels caused to this single female tax payer, but the latest order from you, to BAN pictures of her beloved dog for the holiday is simply one of the most evil, petty and vicious action that anyone has heard of here in Canada.
HRM already has an extremely negative reputation internationally. It overshadows Canada's reputation when it comes to animal welfare laws. I don't know how you can have a clear conscience after the vicious treatment of this unfortunate, lonely dog and her owner who loves her more than anything and cares deeply about her well-being. Brindi has never done anything do deserve being put down. Thanks to the years of confinement, she is very ill and latest tests show she may now have pancreatic cancer - yet you will not even allow the VET to take a picture of this dog??!
If you had any integrity as a lawyer and a public servant you would have made sure this dog was returned to her owner way back in early 2009, when the court confirmed that your by-law was unconstitutional. Under your advice, the city kept her for nearly two more years, and took her again after a small mishap. It’s well known that you are not within the law to detain her indefinitely without a court order, as your municipal law, which may not even apply, certainly does not override federal law. Perhaps for you, the dog doesn't matter anymore. You already treat her as is she is something to be disposed of. But you are still accountable to the ethical guidelines of the Nova Scotia Barristers Society and the people of Halifax.
As a woman and a fellow Canadian citizen. I am deeply ashamed of you and the women who run Animal Services, Andrea Macdonald and Lori Scolaro. It would do you well to return Brindi right away and leave her and her owner in peace.

But I can assure you that whatever happens to them, this atrocity will not be forgotten.

Dora Hoffer
Vancouver BC
Canadian citizen and tax payer
11 hours ago
Jak Thomas Well I see that fran showed up using fake names to try to sway the public to support her ....to bad so sad its to late!
11 hours ago · 1
Meg Charnley Peoples priorities are with what they care about. Who is anyone to say what should be important to other people?
11 hours ago via mobile · 4
Debbie Macdonald Dorothy Guild you say "she would have been fined except she emailed Flowers owner she wouldn’t pay vet bill if she was"

Um, I saw the email exchanges in it, Dorothy. Nowhere do they say Francesca refused to pay the vet bill. It seems to me the woman didn't expect a fine to be laid, she didn't give it any thought at all. But it is clear Francesca is the one who suggested the owner take the dog to a vet, and voluntarily offered to pay. The owner waited a day to go to a vet but didn’t want to go to her own vet so she went to a new one, who charged an extra $70 for all new patients. So the bill was doubled. By the way the court files are wrong, the bill was $143 not $360 or whatever you say. Francesca DID pay the bill. She was never fined because Lori Scolaro made Tim Hamm offered the other owner a muzzle instead of a fine. He could have reduced the fine, for goodness's sake, they do that all the time! The muzzle skipped a whole lot of steps, so I don't believe it when they say they have to seize a dog and put it down because "all other measures have been exhausted". That kind of skipped a few steps. They went straight to seizing Brindi the next time, and that was even more bogus, because from what I can tell, Brindi never made contact with the other dog. It looks like that guy, Mr. Shea, just started kicking Brindi and kept kicking her till somebody driving by blew a car horn, probably trying to stop him!
In BOTH of those cases the owners told HRM they were reporting because they had heard rumors about the dog, and they just wanted somebody to talk to the owner. They didn't expect the dog to be muzzled or put down.

AND there are no criteria at all for ordering muzzle, people, so it’s totally meaningless to have a muzzle order. At least, you cannot draw any conclusions about a muzzle order because the animal control officers can just randomly order them anytime they feel like it, and there’s no appeal or court involved. So it tells us nothing that Brindi was under a muzzle order. That means it's not possible to know anything about how serious it is to violate a muzzle order, either!

And in this case, since the first muzzle order was pretty bogus, and since no harm was done in the reported incident that they seized Brindi for, the judge really didn't have a good reason to reinstate the muzzle order! Get a grip, people!

“She also ordered Brindi be leashed and muzzled at all times when outside her home or fenced area--even going so far as to add the person who must always be in control of her must be over the age of 18.”

“Even going so far as” ??
As Peggy said, his is the normal law on muzzles, not anything extra! Go read By-law A-300, it’s online. The judge was just restating the original order.

Again this is the normal rule, Dorothy, and you know it. And all dogs in HRM must be on a leash when not on the owner’s property.

Stop distorting the truth, maybe you’ll be a happier person!
10 hours ago
Debbie Macdonald PS I can't wait to see comments from Jak (aka Wayne Croft, hi Wayne) and good ole' Gail "Fran is a lyer" Gallant, saying I am a fake person... tell that to my arthritis and the bills I have to pay, ugh!
10 hours ago
Debbie Macdonald The only batshit folks around here, Dwaine Dixon, are the ones who delight in other people's misfortunes.
10 hours ago · 1
Robert Riley I see the members of the R&R club are back on line as well as Jak/Ass Thomas alias Wayne Croft.
9 hours ago
Michael McCluskey Hey Admins, I'd lock this thread it has run its course.
9 hours ago · 2
Meg Charnley I dont think anyone is delighting in her misfortune...
9 hours ago via mobile · 4
Phil Walling Please everyone, remain calm and civil to each other.

If you want to discuss other topic related to HRM, there's other threads to explore and express civil opinions. If you don't like this thread, stay out of it.

If this thread is always bumped to #1, then we'll consider hiding it, but administration here is done by consensus for the most part, and I would rather not take it upon myself to delete it without advice from the others.
9 hours ago · 1
Gail Gallant if the thread is bumped to #1 then that probably means people want to talk about it. The other threads are free to post in just as much if there is interest. Personally to hide it because people are posting it to the top more makes no sense to me.... that's my opinion :)
9 hours ago · 4
Phil Walling It's a good one, I'm just concerned that it'll monopolize everything else, that's all. Your opinion is duly noted.
9 hours ago
Derek Graham If anyone is interested in an unbiased account of the "Brindi Rogier" trial without the ranting and innuendo, I’m willing to comment. I witnessed ALL of the trial - and -- anyone who knows anything about the details of the “Brindi” situation, also knows I have a unique perspective..
Pose your questions....
9 hours ago · 1
Gail Gallant I want to hear what you heard in court both days. ( not word for word mind you of the whole thing :) )
9 hours ago · 2
Derek Graham Ok - one at time !! LOL 1st - Emma - repeat your question please - I lost it in the thread switch. 2 nd - (to someone who thinks I am here to dis Ms Rogier - I forget your name - I can only offer this - the truth never hides in the shadows - if you ask for an opinion - you will get one BASED on the observations of the trial - that’s all. 3 Gail - LOL - for the love of God - you and I both know that this web server probably doesn't have enough memory to list EVERYTHING - LOL - cut me some slack and chuck me a question that is more specific - thanks.
9 hours ago · 2
Gail Gallant lmao
9 hours ago
Gail Gallant Ok... how about a recap of day one....
9 hours ago · 2
Emma Richards here ya are,,,,tell us how you feel about her {Fran Rogier}s actions and her defense in THE COURT OF LAW..
9 hours ago
Gail Gallant did he fall asleep???
8 hours ago · 2
Licia Hutt In your opinion do you feel there maybe a mistrial? Do you think it was a fair trial? Gail I would appreciate your opinion as well since you were there.
8 hours ago · 1
Phil Walling He's just being thoughtful, I betchas.
8 hours ago · 2
Gail Gallant lol
8 hours ago
Gail Gallant I have read some other posts by Derek... he is very thorough.... I will give him another 3 mins lol
8 hours ago · 1
Derek Graham Gail - The trial started without Ms Rogier. She was late due to a perported vehical accident. I know for a fact that there was mis-communication between Ms. Rogier and the court and that reasons presented in court was not consistant with information provided to the court (Judge). In any event, the trail proceeded as planed based on the information that the Judge recieved. The crown presented its case against Ms Rogier based on three charges. Witnesses gave accounts of the incident involving Ms. Rogiers dog attacking another dog. The crowns witnesses inclued the husband and wife of the dog that got attacked, the HRM Aninmal control officer, the HRM after hours dispatcher. Tape recordings of Ms Rogier was also submitted that involved conversations between the HRM dispatcher and Ms. Rogier. Honestly, I could not hear the recordings well, due to the air ventalation system in court room 2. However, it is my understanding that there is two points of interest that are prudent to these recordings : 1 Ms. Rogier was told that they were not being recorded - when - in fact, they were 2. Ms Rogier submitted a false report on the recordings.
8 hours ago · 3
Debbie Macdonald ‎Derek Graham, what is a vehical? I saw your comments about Francesca on OpenFile and you are definitely NOT unbiased, so forget this!
8 hours ago
Meg Charnley A vehical is a simple typo. Why raz him? Really?
8 hours ago · 1
Gail Gallant hey from what I just read it was unbiased
8 hours ago · 1
Debbie Macdonald Don't leave out whose idea it was to file a "false report": the HRM dispatcher, right? Why did she do that?
8 hours ago
Debbie Macdonald Like you are a judge of that! LMAO
8 hours ago
Gail Gallant debbie.... pls post as fran which is really who you are
8 hours ago · 2
Debbie Macdonald Who are you, really? That's the question. Have a fun night, people, I have other plans that are more fun than this!!
8 hours ago
Meg Charnley Seems like it.
8 hours ago
Emma Richards must have her dil buddy ,,
8 hours ago
Gail Gallant anyway.... what else can you tell us about the first day Derek Graham
8 hours ago · 1
Derek Graham Gail - cont - At 130 ish - Ms Rogier, arrived at court. She was under the impression that she was going to submit a Charter challenge and then, proceed with the trial. The Judge stated that the trial had begun in her absence and she would address the charter issues after the trial proceeded. Ms Rogier contested that she was not prepared to proceed as most of her preparations were based on proceeding with the charter issued first. The Judge stated that the amount of time allotted for her to prepare for trial was more than adequate to have prepared for both and that the trial would proceed anyway. Ms. Rogier was granted a chance to cross- examine the witnesses that were available and was told that the others would be recalled for the 16th.
8 hours ago · 3
Meg Charnley I have a question for Debbie Macdonald... If you're not in fact Fran, why are you being so hostile and rude?
8 hours ago · 2
Emma Richards MUST have thought she running things and judge would do her bidding...doesn't work that way.......this is CANADA.
8 hours ago
Phil Walling Meg, Debbie is taking a break.
8 hours ago · 1
Gail Gallant What was your take on the cross of the witnesses the first day.... was there anything new or not known etc. ?
8 hours ago · 1
Derek Graham Emma, in response your question, I would rather not delve into personal feelings towards Ms. Rogier as that is not my intent. I can offer you an opinion of how I felt she presented herself in court and how she structured her defence if you find it helpful. Ms Rogier is formally educated with university degrees and that was evident as her case was put forth with great detail. However, as she's formally trained in architecture, this did not serve her well in a Canadian court of law. That being said, I don't think anyone who does not have formal legal training can be well prepared however, she did present her case with passion albeit very unstructured and at times somewhat scattered. She had great difficulty differentiating between her charter challenges and the three charges that were brought against her in this trial. Many times she had to be reminded by the Judge to stick to information and material that was relevant to the trial only. Personally, I feel she has missed her calling, as she should have pursued law because her abilities to put forth an argument can be almost as persuasive as it is theatrical and entertaining. It is my opinion upon viewing the entire trial that this theme was evident throughout the entire course of the trial as she had great difficulty separating charter challenges, relevant evidence and testimony, and inadmissible hearsay. Conclusively, it is my opinion (and bear in mind that this is only an opinion) that she did not successfully present either evidence or adequate argument to raise reasonable doubt against the charges put forth to her. She did present massive amounts of material for the judge to review before rendering a verdict. She was given, in my opinion, a HUGE degree of latitude from the judge when presenting her case. I have had personal dealings with the legal system, and I can attest to the fact that the amount of latitude that she was given, was extraordinary and very gracious.
8 hours ago · 3
Gail Gallant That was my take on the last day when I was there too..... I agree, with proper training she would be a good lawyer :)
8 hours ago
Emma Richards thats fine,i realy wasn't expecting your own opinion,,but i feel you covered my question just fine,,thank you..
8 hours ago
Emma Richards to be a good lawyer,,you would need to be some what structured,,,,and timely,,come dragging your butt into court when you are representing a murder case and you might get a contempt charge...
7 hours ago
Gail Gallant what do you think of the trainers testimony... did it shed light or not really relevant as what I heard was not what happened that night in Sept.... she testified to the other dog being loose and in fran's yard, both dogs were in a scuffle... when even according to the first part of the recording from fran wasn't the same.
7 hours ago · 1
Gail Gallant also that they were about the same size... which wasn't true
7 hours ago
Derek Graham Licia Hutt – Hi, I would ask everyone be patient, as some of these questions involve great detail and it takes some time to respond. A mistrial …. Perhaps. Procedurally, the trial was all over the place. This was mainly for the benefit of Ms. Rogier, so that she could structure herself in presenting a defence. The problem with that is if it went too far out of normal context that may be an argument for a mistrial. Other than that, I don't see any relevant occurrence that would substantiate the grounds for mistrial - keep in mind -I am not a lawyer. Personally, I felt the trial as far as allowances for Ms. Rogier’s defense, was more than fair. However, that is something I'm sure that Ms. Rogier will pursue, because it is of her opinion that the trial was conducted very unfairly.
7 hours ago · 2
Emma Richards sounds like her..
7 hours ago
Joy McDonald Funny thing, I can't see a darn thing posted by Debbie Macdonald....now why would she have me blocked? Fran come on we know it is you.
7 hours ago · 1
Meg Charnley Derek, in your opinion at this point, what do you think will happen to Brindi?
7 hours ago · 2
Phil Walling Joy, Debbie has taken a break from here. Please refrain from personal issues. Thanks
7 hours ago
Joy McDonald NP. Hard reading when posts are missing. I am enjoying Derek's perspective. Thanks
7 hours ago · 2
Emma Richards yes derek is doin fine,,,
7 hours ago
Licia Hutt Thank you Derek. I assumed they would go out-of-the-way to make sure it was fair to Fran and I'm glad to hear you think so.
7 hours ago · 1
Joy McDonald I must say I have not seen anyone run a page quite as successfully as this one is running. Nice job.
7 hours ago · 3
Gail Gallant I agree Joy.... whether for / against / impartial we all have opinions and we all should keep it civil as much as possible.
7 hours ago · 1
Licia Hutt I agree Joy it is nice to be able to have a rational discussion without being deleted because you want to see Brindi re-homed or have a question. Thank you to the admins.
7 hours ago · 1
Meg Charnley I agree as well. Being a bit new to Halifax, I love knowing about some of the issues that interest Haligonians.
7 hours ago · 1
Derek Graham ‎Debbie MacDonald – LOL - you know, I hate the word “vehicle”. I always screw that up - and you have and uncanny grasp of the obvious. Debbie, Canada and the United States are free speech democracies. That's why for over 25 years, I have put my life on the line to defend that. If it is of your opinion that I am biased – great -you're entitled to your opinion. I encourage EVERYONE to read my contributions to the OpenFile article. That is the difference between you and I, where you discourage people to be objective, I encourage them. I have made statements that support aspects of Ms. Rogier and I have made statements that have been critical of her position. One thing that I've always stated, that if Ms. Rogier is found innocent of all charges, then I will be the first one to applaud her cunning, ingenuity and determination. Also, I will be happy to see dog owner and dog reunited. If there is any substance to her charter challenges, I would greatly like to see them reviewed and given credence and credit. Ironically, Ms. Rogier attempted to withdraw those challenges, in order to hopefully expedite the return of her dog to her as she felt that the time, she could manipulate the system to her advantage. And one thing I can say with absolute certainty and unbiased from direct observation is that Ms. Rogier, when confronted with authority and the requirement to obey that authority, reacts VERY poorly. As for the dispatcher conversations between Ms. Rogier and the dispatcher, as I stated before, I could not hear the conversations on tape due to the ventilation system in courtroom two. All I can attest to hearing with certainty was the judge and the Crown prosecutor agreeing that they found the tapes “self serving”. As to what that directly means, or its relevance to the trial, I would have to speculate - and I prefer not to do that.
Enjoy your night Debbie, and I'm not sure who your question was addressed to, myself or Gail, in any event I am who I say I am.
7 hours ago · 3
Phil Walling Derek, Debbie has taken a break and is no longer here.
7 hours ago
Gail Gallant I could be wrong but I think it was meant for me Derek :)
7 hours ago · 1
Phil Walling I did remove Debbie because her posts came out attacking and personal and Derek hadn't really said anything, yet. I feel bad about it in some ways. I've never felt I had to do that before.

I'm talking this over with the other admins as soon as I can. If you want to talk Debbie in this thread, I'll message her, unremove her and invite her back to defend herself.
7 hours ago
Gail Gallant the choice should be yours ( admin )
7 hours ago · 3
Gail Gallant psst Derek ... you know the link to debbie in your response is of someone else???
7 hours ago · 1
Derek Graham Gail – The cross examination – Day one – As I stated before, Ms Rogier arrived at the courtroom at approximately 1:30 PM. After a lengthy discussion/ debate with the judge, she was afforded the opportunity to cross examine the remaining witnesses that were still available that day. They were the husband and wife that owned the dog that was allegedly attacked by Ms. Rogier’s dog. I found that Ms. Rogier, had many strong attributes towards her ability to examine a witness. She was very detailed on her points and she like to employ a common method that a lot of lawyers use which is to repeat a question in such a manner that correlates to other areas of opportunity. She also has a very good ability to lead a witness into a specific line of questioning. Some of these aspects are why I believe she missed her calling, and should of went into law. However at the end of the court day, the testimony that these witnesses gave to the crown were unsuccessfully challenged by Ms Rogier, as she failed to discredit the accounts and happenings of that evening. Also, a lot of her argument in the cross-examination correlated to charter issues and she was reminded by the judge on numerous occasions to avoid, at least try to avoid, mixing the two together. She attempted to prove that the witnesses were biased based on an association with a family in the community that was part of another altercation with her. She also attempted to discredit the testimony as to the location of the attack with respect to her property line. And, she attempted to downplay the nature of the injuries sustained by the other dog. All this being said,it is in my opinion that - although her arguments were craftily worded and eloquently presented, they lacked the substance to create reasonable doubt.
6 hours ago · 3
Gail Gallant ok... thanks. I wasn't there the first day so I don't know what happened. I thank you for your answers. Did she examine the ACO the first day? I know she did the second day. If she didn't, did the crown?
6 hours ago · 1
Derek Graham Gail – Ms Jordan – Witness for the defence. Ms. Jordan was presented by Ms Rogier as her dog trainer that was working exclusively with Brindi and herself. Earlier I stated that I had a unique perspective with certain aspects of this trial. The dog training aspect of it is one of them. It is suffice to say that I have a relationship with the person that is considered a SME (subject matter expert) in this field. One of the commonly accepted realities of this profession to the point where the trainers themselves admit, is this - The only thing that two dog trainers will agree on, is that the third trainer that they are watching is instructing incorrectly. This is why there really is no collective association, federation, institution etc. in this field of endeavours. The person that I talked to in reference to Ms. Jordan's credibility has 2 1/2 times more experience than she does. I know for a fact that Ms. Jordan's testimony would've been directly challenge by the SME that I know, had they been given the opportunity. For example, on the issue of territorial aggression, this was one aspect that was in total disagreement. All this being said, Ms. Jordan was accepted as a subject matter expert with respect to dog training only, as the issue of behaviour was not allowed to be admitted under her field of expertise. She testified to the effect that she had been working extensively with Brindi and Ms. Rogier and large strides were being made towards effectively retraining Brindi. The biggest statement I think that she made in support of Ms. Rogier's argument was that Brindi had made substantial progress to a point, however, the issue of territorial aggression was basically next on the list to be resolved - but not yet covered. Because Brindi did not get a chance to be retrained in this subject, she could not be expected to reasonably respond to any form of recall. It was also in her opinion that the destruction of Brindi will constitute an unfair practice and waste. Personally, for what it's worth, I agree with this assessment and so does my SME, however, we reserve judgment on who should be in possession of Brindi, until the verdict is read.
6 hours ago · 2
Gail Gallant yeah... I got much of the same opinion. As for where Brindi is now, I think she should stay there ( at least for now ). From knowing what is fact in evidence for what happened in the " attack" compared to what Jordan testified to ( totally different story she was told )... should her opinion on that be taken in account of her assessment?
6 hours ago
Derek Graham Gail - Whether Debbie is who she is, or if she isn't, isn't really my concern - I prefer to respond everybody fairly and equally - I'm sure you can understand that. Like you, I have suspicions but I prefer to keep that to myself. ACO - help me out here -I'm not sure what that means ??
6 hours ago
Gail Gallant as for debbie... I mean when you highlighted for a link... it is a different debbie... ACO is animal control officer
6 hours ago
Gail Gallant not the debbie who was posting here.
6 hours ago
Derek Graham I think the court will recognize the difference between the testimony given by Mrs. Jordan with respect to the conflicting account given by Ms. Rogier. I think the assessment is valid, however, my SME has found “holes” in her testimony. The problem is, those will never be challenged because the crown never thought it necessary to bring forth their own SME to testify on their behalf with regards to these issues. That being said, is Ms. Jordan's testimony even relevant, as it really has nothing to do with the charges brought forth to Ms. Rogier ? I believe the crown wasn't even concerned with it as a Crown prosecutor didn't even bother to cross examine her testimony, again, another indication of relevance - or more precisely, lack thereof.
6 hours ago · 1
Gail Gallant good point
6 hours ago
Gail Gallant I think it was testimony for the progress.... I don't know
6 hours ago
Joy McDonald If Ms. Jordan couldn't testify to the property aggression, I can't see what good she did. That is the main issue that caused all the problems. Smoke and mirrors.
6 hours ago · 1
Derek Graham ACO - animal control officer - thank you. Ms. Rogier was in the process of cross examining the ACO at the end of the first day. I don't believe I mentioned that earlier in my previous posts so I apologize now for forgetting that. She then had the opportunity on the March 16th to carry on with the cross-examination. Again, Ms. Rogier employed her usual finesse and skills and was very effective. In my opinion, this is one of the stronger aspects to her case, as she did expose that this aspect of HRM - more specifically perhaps this office of HRM, probably should have a specific and structured sets of operating procedures so that their officers are not left in the lurch, so to speak, when trying to address the qualifications and requirements for seizing an animal. To me this was the weakest aspect of the crown's case, not to say that the ACO in this case was at fault by any means. However, Ms. Regier quite successfully pointed out that there was deficiencies or ambiguities in their processes. Once again though, she incorrectly blended this information with respect to her charter challenges, therefore I'm not sure how much latitude the judge will give her in terms of supporting her case. Nevertheless, it did appear to be a bit of|” egg on the face” of HRM. I personally talked to the ACO afterwards and reassured her that the attack by Ms. Rogier was not at the ability or the inability for her to do her job, insomuch it was an attack on the infrastructure of power job is laid out.
5 hours ago · 2
Derek Graham Yes I'm aware that there are games going on when it comes to people identifying themselves. In this media format, there is a lot people can do to get away with posing as other people. I believe that ultimately, these people trip themselves up, and most reasonably intelligent people recognize that and then disregard them.
5 hours ago · 3
Licia Hutt What challenges did Fran give the animal control officer?
5 hours ago
Gail Gallant ‎Derek ... I sent you a private msg to explain what I am talking about
5 hours ago
Derek Graham Meg - Wow that's a lot of speculation at this point -and you know how I feel about speculation - but I will speak to what I do know. I know that the legal predicament that Brindi is in, is not good. I believe that Ms. Rogier stated that her direction was to the court (not at this trial by the way) was that Brindi would be destroyed before she would allow her to be re-homed, in other words, she would not accept Brindi being adopted by somebody else. From what I understand, that ties the hands of the judge in so far that because Brindi is deemed property and the owner of that property will not allow it to be forfeited to somebody else, the only other option that the court is left is to have the animal destroyed. To me this is very distressing, insofar that if were talking in terms of property, if a person loses to the court for example a car, the car is simply resold once it becomes possession of HRM, or the bank, or whatever. You would think, that the same logic could apply, to an animal – however - I am not a legal expert by any means in this field, so I can honestly say I'm not sure what will happen other than at this present time – legally - if Ms Rogier loses her case, her dog will potentially suffer four it. This is one of those times where I really hope I'm wrong …
5 hours ago · 1
Joy McDonald Was it made clear in court, from the Simms, where the 'attack' took place? I understand it was on public property and not on Fran's property.
5 hours ago · 1
Meg Charnley I think for Ms. Rogier to say she would rather see Brindi destroyed than rehomed is EXTREMELY selfish of her! Thank you, Derek, for letting me know what you think about that.
5 hours ago · 3
Joy McDonald Meg, any dog lover would feel the same.
6 hours ago · 2
Licia Hutt Ditto Meg & I wonder if her supporters may not be aware or perhaps don't understand her stance on that?
6 hours ago · 1
Meg Charnley They need to.
6 hours ago · 2
Joy McDonald That 'fact' has been posted many times by me as well as others. It has been denied and attacked as untrue. Apparently it isn't untrue, is it?
6 hours ago · 1
Licia Hutt Well, she well aware she has to ask a Judge as he makes the decision of re-homing & we haven't heard that she has't asked the Judge this time, nor the last time. Will it be in the summation? If I were a Fran supporter I would be asking her.
5 hours ago
Joy McDonald She needs to ask the Judge BEFORE she gives the Judgement, not after. I would be shedding real tears and begging the Judge to rehome.
5 hours ago · 2
Derek Graham Licia - Ms Rogier is a skilled debater. That is very obvious. I don't think that the ACO had difficulty with Ms. Rogier per se, as she might have had with her ability to challenge aspects of how she conducts her job and the criteria by which she is required to work by. Ultimately, despite the apparent infrastructure issues that that office may have, Ms. Rogier was hard-pressed to challenge the ACO's decision for seizure in this particular case simply because the facts spoke for themselves. This was the only time that this ACO had to seize any dog because the owner was either negligent or unable to control and contain her animal which had been in violation after a muzzle order was put in place. I must admit that the ACO appeared to be getting frustrated with the line of questioning and I think it some points that affected her ability to respond confidently, however, in my opinion she never responded in a manner that would discredit her position. I suppose if somebody was looking for poetic justice, when Ms. Rogier was required to take the stand because she had offered testimony and she found herself being cross examined by the Crown prosecutor, her levels of frustration and discomfort were very evident. I'm not sure if that was a plan that went awry, or if she simply made a tactical error and inadvertently put herself in a position where she could be cross examined.
5 hours ago
Francesca Rogier I never said anything of the kind, Meg. Derek, I am fascinated by your account. Unfortunately you made a few errors. The Crown lawyer did cross-examine Susan Jordan. It was interesting to me that after several tough questions, the lawyer slowed to a total halt, not knowing where to go next. I think Susan was incredible.
5 hours ago
Francesca Rogier Where did you get your legal training, Derek?
5 hours ago
Joy McDonald Fran is not one to be questioned. Many of us have learned that the hard way and got kicked to the curb. (former supporter)
5 hours ago
Derek Graham The Simms testimony was pretty conclusive, the attack took place on the roadway in front of Ms. Rogier's house. Ms. Rogier in my opinion did not offer any testimony or evidence that could successfully challenge that.
5 hours ago
Francesca Rogier The facts do speak for themselves. The fact is, HRM never had a good reason to seize Brindi in the first place, because they never had a reason to muzzle her. It was totally arbitrary. Once in place they used the muzzle as grounds to seize her. They have never followed the law. They have never used rational reasoning, only selectively applied the law's - taking its most circular logic that is embedded in the law. Rodger never bothered checking into the reason for the muzzle order. She never answered my question about why she seized Brindi in terms of Brindi. Every time, she reverted to talking about the muzzle order.
5 hours ago
Joy McDonald Thank you Derek.
5 hours ago
Licia Hutt Again thank you Derek.
5 hours ago
Francesca Rogier The Simms changed their testimony on the stand a few times. They admitted they could not say for sure where things happened. They estimated locations wrongly; got the location of the streetlamp wrong. They didn't even examine their dog closely for some time after the incident, because they were so absorbed in trying to report it. But frankly, none of their testimony makes much difference, because the judge was already handling things unfairly by beginning the trial without proper confirmation of the information she was given, and by relegating my Charter arguments to a mail-in process, and it's pretty hard to reverse things. I was not "manipulating the system" to try to withdraw my Charter claim: that is your opinion, as so many other things you are saying, which make your account so subjective. Withdrawing a motion is my right by law, and it is perfectly reasonable to do so, since its purpose has long since been defeated. When you talk about manipulating the system, I suggest you turn your attention to the Animal Services department, where you will learn much more about that.
5 hours ago
Francesca Rogier Also the SImms were very obviously coached; I'm amazed you didn't notice that.
5 hours ago
Francesca Rogier Also you are totally wrong about the issue of property. As I said, I never said "Brindi would be destroyed before she would allow her to be re-homed, in other words, she would not accept Brindi being adopted by somebody else." The fact is, I proposed this to HRM in December 2010, and HRM refused all options in that direction - flatly refused. They refused the SPCA's opinion before that. HRM has done so much harm to Brindi and to me, continues to do so, with deliberation. They have no authority to detain Brindi, so they transgress the Charter every single day. My transgressions were unintentional and while I regret them even though I did not intend them to happen, they did not cause serious harm. Certainly not the kind of harm that Brindi has been enduring, like chronic pancreatitis and tooth damage due to neglectful care. I do not feel that I am obligated to submit to pressure from the likes of Gail Gallant, who I happen to know is not able to control the pit bulls she says she rescues, who have been known to terrorize children on her street. Believe that if you like; the fact remains that what a judge decides is what a judge decides: the "additional penalty" clause places no limits on the court. In that instance, I certainly cannot influence or limit what is done with my property! That law relieves the court of having to hear any evidence at all, and allows the court to have a dog destroyed or "otherwise dealt with". This is the most unconstitutional part of the entire law. But it was not part of the original by-law; it was imported from the provincial law after the Supreme Court quashed the original part of the by-law that was also unconstitutional. So thanks a lot for that! But PLEASE; stop blaming ME for things that I have not done and things that you think I might do - which I cannot!
5 hours ago
Marrilee Wilson I've been reading all the comments. I'm new to this story of Brindi. The only comment I have is that I feel so sorry for this poor dog. I pray that besides training that reinforces good behavior, she reciieves the emotional and financial support that all animals deserve. Dispite good intentions, it appears that both the city and the owner have failed to serve Brindi in a humane, dignified way.
5 hours ago · 1
Francesca Rogier Thanks so much for your support.
5 hours ago · 1
Derek Graham Ms. Rogier, I stand corrected. Ms. Jordan is very well spoken indeed. I too feel the crown had not performed at 100%. On occasion the Crown prosecutor attempted to ask questions that she did not know the answer to. To me, this would appear to be a fundamental blunder that most lawyers learn never to fall into. If you're going to ask a question in cross-examination you should really know the answer in the first place. Also, there appeared to be avenues where they could have pressed their position stronger, particularly on the cross-examination of your testimony. The crown appears to be quite comfortable with the evidence as it was presented to support their case, perhaps that’s why they didn't bother. With respect to your query on any legal training, the military requires us to become very familiar with the NDA (National Defence Act) along with different aspects of civil law. These studies are part of our leadership training and we are encouraged to learn more if we have any opportunity to do so, however legal issues of any major consequence are always referred to the JAG office. I am, by no means a legal authority, only an observer.
5 hours ago
Francesca Rogier I was being sarcastic, but whatever! Lumping me together with the city is pretty unfair, kind of cruel, really. I rescued my dog and I love her dearly. Otherwise, why would I fight so hard for her life? Do you realize that HRM's new pound put down 51 stray dogs in a 12-month period, just because somebody working there deemed them "dangerous"? Not a qualified behaviorist, not a vet, not anybody with the proper knowledge. The statistics on dangerous dogs don't support this rate. Unless HRM has an epidemic, something is very wrong here.
5 hours ago
Francesca Rogier That comment was to Marilee Marrilee Wilson
5 hours ago
Francesca Rogier Derek, please google by-law A300 and the HRM Charter sections 193-197. I would be interested to hear your thoughts on that.
5 hours ago
Francesca Rogier Also, Derek, this may interest you: http://halifaxhumane.org/bylaws-attacks.php
5 hours ago
Francesca Rogier And to spare the members of this group, maybe you can message me off the page.
5 hours ago
Meg Charnley What's pretty unfair and cruel is that this dog's life is in jeopardy because of human negligence and irresponsibility.
5 hours ago · 1
Marrilee Wilson I can understand why you'd feel upset with my comment. And I'm sure your tired of people taking sides. I was offering my opinion. I hope that after all is said and dome Brindi is well taken care of for the rest of her time on earth.
5 hours ago · 1
Francesca Rogier And Meg: what is it to be irresponsible? If you accidentally stumble and trip somebody, is that irresponsible? Do you really think a person can control all mechanical objects and animals together, 100% of the time? And if they don't, is that irresponsibility? That word implies a moral failure, and a moral judgment, and I don't think it's appropriate at all. The law calls for fines - that's appropriate. Not detaining a dog year after year and then killing it.
5 hours ago
Dawn 'CeCe' Kelly Everyone *is* and should be absolutely (& respectfully) entitled to their opinion.
5 hours ago · 1
Dawn 'CeCe' Kelly There is *absolutely* NO acceptable (or arguable) defence to arbitrarily ignoring a court order and expecting to get away with it.
5 hours ago
Meg Charnley Well, you. Your dog attacked other dogs, and I fail to see where you had control over your dog... If you did have control over your dog, you wouldn't be in this mess and your dog wouldn't have made attacks. The Animal Control Officers don't just swoop in and take any old animal they choose... they need to have a reason. This was more than just an accident. The first incident may have been, but when it happened repeatedly, it stopped being an accident. I think you could have had much more control than you claim is possible. No, you can't control every action a dog has, but you could have penned the dog, leashed it outside.
5 hours ago · 2
Francesca Rogier Don't make assumptions. Animal Services actually do choose which dogs they take, and the differences would astound you. The law does not require a reason; they just say they have one, and that's all it takes. They don't have to answer to anybody. If you are new in Halifax, I suggest you do some checking on this.
5 hours ago
Francesca Rogier You "think" I could have had much more control, but that's your opinion, based on nothing, since you haven't got the details. So please. When you are so freely judging people, it can backfire on you.
5 hours ago
Meg Charnley Animal Services choose which dogs they take, but they need to have a reason. If I had a dog, they can't just come into my house and take it. They would need a reason or a complaint from someone. Your dog was taken because you didn't control it from attacking other people's animals.
4 hours ago
Meg Charnley I may be new in Halifax, but I've spent years working for an animal shelter. The law isn't that different from province to province.
4 hours ago
Francesca Rogier They don't take most dogs - I mean, 99.99% of dogs - that are reported to attack. They don't usually muzzle dogs just because of any old attack, either. They are not allowed to lie about the law, but they did, to me and the public.
4 hours ago
Meg Charnley Really, you couldn't have any more control than you did? You couldn't have penned or leashed your dog?
4 hours ago
Francesca Rogier The trouble is that you are too willing to trust authority without question, and too willing to question your fellow man and take away their individual authority.
4 hours ago
Michael McCluskey Meg, the only way to win is not to play.
4 hours ago · 1
Francesca Rogier Meg, if you are really that interested in the answers, this is not the place for it.
4 hours ago
Dawn 'CeCe' Kelly Seriously?? Francesca - I can't see your reply but I know you are here by the posts others have made. Blocking people for having a differing *opinion* (and not a personal *exchange*). That's quite concerning actually. How then to properly debate the issues?
4 hours ago · 1
Meg Charnley Yours wasn't a case of any old attack. Yours was a case of several attacks. And how can you assume who I am willing to trust? I know what I know because I've seen it first hand through the work I've done in animal shelters. And Michael, you're right. This is stupid, seeing as I'm obviously talking to a brick wall.
4 hours ago
Gail Gallant for those who can see fran's posts, I was sent one she included me into... she claims one of my dogs went after children and or people... her friend started that rumor and it never happened. I have asked for proof and nothing has been forthcoming. Besides the fact I never had a " pitbull" at the time they claim it happened. There has never been an ACO at my door for any dog I have ever had or have. If what she says was true, just the stigma of having one and a call go to AC, you bet someone would be at my door in a heartbeat.
4 hours ago
Dawn 'CeCe' Kelly Are you 'in court' over this 'supposed' issue, Gail?
4 hours ago
Michael McCluskey People, just stop.
4 hours ago · 2
Francesca Rogier What is the definition of attack? If you don't distinguish among the range of attacks - ones that cause life-threatening injuries from ones that cause no injury - is there a valid reason to judge number of attacks over severity? I don't think so.
4 hours ago
Dawn 'CeCe' Kelly It's a debate, Michael - fact based (or should be).
4 hours ago
Gail Gallant no I am not and never have been
4 hours ago
Francesca Rogier By-Law A-300 section 2: “attack” means to injure or bite, or to threaten or give the impression of threatening
4 hours ago
Michael McCluskey Tell me the last time you debated a fanatic out of anything.
4 hours ago · 3
Dawn 'CeCe' Kelly Well - no point in it being brought up then.
4 hours ago
Francesca Rogier I am not a fanatic, Michael. Tell me who made you the referee?
4 hours ago
Francesca Rogier Meg wants it both ways: she wants to be able to continue posting about Brindi, and also wants to stand apart and pretend it's just awful how the topic dominates the page. Thanks, Meg.
4 hours ago
Dawn 'CeCe' Kelly Well, as I stated above, she clearly doesn't want to debate with those that can, she's blocked them. I have not ever had a personal exchange with the owner of this poor dog.
4 hours ago
Dawn 'CeCe' Kelly the "well, no point in it being brought up, then" was to Gail
4 hours ago
Meg Charnley No, Fran, as the saying goes, "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person." :)
4 hours ago · 2
Gail Gallant ‎:) I didn't bring it up.... she did
4 hours ago
Dawn 'CeCe' Kelly I failed to make that clear - I was replying to your post, but talking about her post.
4 hours ago
Dawn 'CeCe' Kelly ‎(the one nobody can see). Not sure what the point is of that, but whatever....
4 hours ago
Gail Gallant ohh ok :)... guess so she can say things about people and they not know. Guess that isn't working for her :)
4 hours ago
Francesca Rogier In your case, only half true.
4 hours ago
Francesca Rogier And my name is Francesca. Please respect that.
4 hours ago
Dawn 'CeCe' Kelly Gail - NTM
4 hours ago
Francesca Rogier You definitely fit right in in Halifax. I didn't move to Halifax, I moved to the Eastern Shore, but Halifax claimed it as part of its territory a few years back.
4 hours ago
Gail Gallant lmao ok...
4 hours ago
Michael McCluskey I rmember when Halifax claimed that territory

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4 hours ago · 1
Francesca Rogier I wonder if people would vote to keep HRM if they were given the chance.
4 hours ago
Gail Gallant lol
4 hours ago
Dawn 'CeCe' Kelly Francesca Rogier "And Meg: what is it to be irresponsible? If you accidentally stumble and trip somebody, is that irresponsible? Do you really think a person can control all mechanical objects and animals together, 100% of the time? And if they don't, is that irresponsibility?"

Here's a thought (mine) - *IF* you accidentally stumble and trip it's an accident. *IF* you accidentally *stumble* and trip over a span of time a few (or several different times), then you have developed or become a (or even *your* own) *statistic* and in that case, 'something' that subsequent judgement calls will be based upon. In other words, you are in 'the wrong place', at 'the wrong time', doing (or not doing) 'the wrong thing', too often. This could also be termed an 'irresponsible' action and exhibits behavior that should have been evident and long corrected (in other words, not an accident OR responsible).
4 hours ago · 1
Gail Gallant IMO if you stumble so much best see a doctor
4 hours ago
Meg Charnley If your dog attacks too much, best see a judge.
4 hours ago
Dawn 'CeCe' Kelly Or get new glasses.
4 hours ago
Francesca Rogier Some people love beating a dead horse, don't they? Good luck Meg, I hope your cat survives despite your inability to control it.
4 hours ago
Meg Charnley My cat lives in an apartment in which it needs to go through several doors to get out. And up until know I can take solace in the fact that I've controlled my cat better than you've controlled your dog.
4 hours ago
Francesca Rogier Except you posted that it was gone for 16 hours, right?
4 hours ago
Meg Charnley Me? No...
4 hours ago
Meg Charnley LOL.
4 hours ago
Meg Charnley You need to learn to creep people's Facebooks better than that. LOL.
4 hours ago
Dawn 'CeCe' Kelly ‎Meg Charnley - are you talking to yourself? Hmmmmm better get a hearing aid!
4 hours ago
Meg Charnley Talking to Ms. Rogier... Apparently she blocked you too.
4 hours ago
Meg Charnley Ms. Rogier... Just out of curiosity's sake, please show me where I said my indoor apartment cat was missing for 16 hours. :) Just curious.
4 hours ago
Dawn 'CeCe' Kelly No doubt. Any opinion other than her own is the wrong one. Wonderful way to converse lol
4 hours ago · 1
Meg Charnley Clearly.
4 hours ago
Meg Charnley I'd just love to know where she got the information that my cat, my indoor apartment cat that has never touched grass a day in his life, went missing for 16 hours. Especially since I'm pretty sure my personal Facebook is sealed shut to people who aren't on my friend's list.
4 hours ago
Francesca Rogier Guess again.
4 hours ago
Dawn 'CeCe' Kelly Probably didn't 'get it' anywhere. Just another figment of a wild imagination?
4 hours ago
Dawn 'CeCe' Kelly One can only guess....
4 hours ago · 1
Francesca Rogier People in glass houses...
4 hours ago
Meg Charnley No, you point it out, "Fran". You got this information. You back it up.
4 hours ago
Francesca Rogier It doesn't feel nice to have people spread false information about you, does it, Meg?
4 hours ago
Michael McCluskey And I heard that I was voted sexiest person in Halifax!
4 hours ago · 2
Dawn 'CeCe' Kelly What were you wearing??
4 hours ago · 1
Meg Charnley How are you spreading it? No one is going to believe you that I let a cat get out through three locked apartment doors and up two flights of steps to get out for 16 hours. Especially coming from someone I've never met in my life. Haha.
4 hours ago
Meg Charnley LMAO./
4 hours ago
Meg Charnley This has the potential to be the funniest conversation segway I've seen in a while.
4 hours ago
Francesca Rogier Can't be true, Michael, if you're on facebook on a Saturday night, and it's even St. Patrick's day, you're not exactly living up to that reputation.
4 hours ago
Michael McCluskey Oh silly me, I was! Look at the cover of The Coast Feb 14th.
4 hours ago
Dawn 'CeCe' Kelly oh, too bad....I don't have a copy 'in house' ;-(
4 hours ago
Meg Charnley Where can I find a copy?
4 hours ago
Francesca Rogier I've never met you in my life, Meg, but you're so very certain about my ability to control my dog. So ha ha to you.
4 hours ago
Michael McCluskey http://www.thecoast.ca/binary/2b5f/001.jpg
4 hours ago
Meg Charnley Haha... One difference, Fran. My cat isn't in the news or in court for attacking other animals. Your dog is. :)
4 hours ago
Meg Charnley That's not you, Michael, is it?
4 hours ago
Michael McCluskey Yes ma'am
4 hours ago
Francesca Rogier Proves nothing. But please yourself: when you become a behavioral expert, we'll talk.
4 hours ago
Meg Charnley Wooow. I actually kind of want an autographed copy. How did you end up on The Coast? Dressed as Cupid?
4 hours ago · 1
Dawn 'CeCe' Kelly Excellent, very *sexxxy*, Michael McCluskey
4 hours ago
Michael McCluskey I was voted by The Coast's readers
4 hours ago · 1
Francesca Rogier Just because my dog is being cruelly locked up for years does not mean you can disrespect my grandmother's name, Meg.
4 hours ago
Meg Charnley I love the Battlestar Galactica shirt.
4 hours ago
Michael McCluskey I beat Ellen Page and SYdney Crosby
4 hours ago
Dawn 'CeCe' Kelly However did they *know*?
4 hours ago
Meg Charnley Sure, Fran.
4 hours ago
Michael McCluskey There's a matching cape
4 hours ago · 1
Meg Charnley Michael that is awesome!
4 hours ago · 1
Francesca Rogier Get a room.
4 hours ago
Michael McCluskey Do you ever watch Castle or Firefly?
4 hours ago · 1
Francesca Rogier And go to hell, with all respect, Meg. You're an ass.
4 hours ago
Francesca Rogier Whatever, Mug
4 hours ago
Michael McCluskey I did a show with Nathan Fillion
4 hours ago
Meg Charnley Never watched Castle or Firefly, Michael. What are they about?
4 hours ago
Meg Charnley What do you do for a living, if you don't mind me asking. Are you in media?
4 hours ago
Michael McCluskey Oh, the star is Nathan Fillion, good guy
4 hours ago
Michael McCluskey Keep a cool head, good night
4 hours ago
Meg Charnley Night, Michael!
4 hours ago
Meg Charnley ‎:)
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Meg Charnley Michael, I guess my friend knows who you are from Hal-Con. Pretty cool. I need to make a point of going sometime.

Monday, March 12, 2012

Why I don't support giving Brindi back.

Now many people know what I do outside of my job and family, some don't.
I have been doing rescue for over 30 yrs ( with great success in happy dogs with happy people).

When I first knew about Brindi, it was on petfinder about 2 mths before Rogier adopted her. I had a full house of dogs / cats at the time. Some were my own family pets and the rescue were foster. Anyone who knows anything about rescue, knows you can only take in what your home can handle for the safety and well being of your own pets plus the foster(s). Rogier and some of her pals ( even some of her aliases ) have asked why I didn't do anything for Brindi ( like take her in ).

Well I was full. You can only save one at a time.

I have also been asked "why I didn't fight A300 ( a by-law for dogs )".
I did. For 2 yrs before it became law.

I have been asked why my nose is in this saga.
Well being a dog lover, do rescue , foster, adoption etc. I try to help the ones I couldn't take in myself. PLUS....

I use to be a supporter of Rogier getting Brindi back. I did what I could ( like sign petitions, write the mayor,went to the vigil etc. I believed A300 was wrong long before it came law. I still do.

When I was a supporter, I noticed many things that didn't add up. I first "chalked it " up to the wording of what she said as to how I perceived it. So I still supported her and Brindi.

Then came death threats against the then president of the SPCA . I would not condone this. Yes the SPCA had Brindi, they had the Animal Control contract to HOUSE dogs and cats for them. They have no say as to what should or shouldn't be done with an AC case. No matter what I told her, she was hell bent on trying to destroy the SPCA and the president of the SPCA. When I got angry about her vilifying the SPCA and that I would not support what she was doing and getting her supporters to do it also, she kicked me out of the group ( no problem, I was leaving anyway.) Up until then I still " backed her " with people who were naysayers.

Then she says she got a call from the " news " about her feelings about Brindi being killed. I myself don't believe that happened. It may have well been true but there is no facts presented to say that happened. I asked her many times who and what news station called her. Never got an answer. She at that time drove to the SPCA and demanded to see Brindi. She got there when they were stormy, closing and was told Brindi was still there and fine. AC had at this time imposed a scheduled time to see Brindi and her showing up was not one of them. She kicked up such a stink and they feared what she was going to do because of her demeanor , the police were called and she was banned from the SPCA for 6 mths. During that 6 mths. the AC / SPCA /HRM made a deal with her to see Brindi.
She was only to be there on an agreed time with the SPCA
She was not to bring treats ( like bones )
She was not to take pics or videos
She was to come alone except with her lawyer
She was not to engage with any of the staff.
There was to be no media. ( there was a few more rules but I don't recall what they were )

She broke every rule. Meanwhile the SPCA was being mean to her etc. and were keeping Brindi for no reason.
She then lost her privilege to see Brindi.

She continued her rampage in conning her supporters to harass the SPCA. She also got her supporters and used her aliases to harass other people and still do to this day. Her motto is " if you are not for her, you are not for Brindi". Well that couldn't be further from the truth. Most people don't want Brindi dead. Hell even the last judge wanted another alternative from the HRM and fran herself. That meant , not to kill Brindi and not to have her returned to fran. Fran stood up in court and said " the only option I will agree to is getting brindi back ". Now sorry but if a judge gave me a way to save my dog, even if it's not with me.... I sure as hell would do it. She knows Brindi is on borrowed time and it all falls into her lap. NOBODY else.

She has posted so many lies and half truths she is not believing them herself. She don't care as long as her supporters believe the dribble she posts. She looks at it like nobody is smarter then she is so they will not check facts. I must give her credit.. she is a great herder and knows how to keep her sheep in line.

Anyone who don't support her ( there is no question we do support Brindi )is a hater / ugly and many other names. I don't care what she or they call me. I can look myself in the mirror and know I am standing up for the innocent... BRINDI. Heck even people who gave her money gets booted out if they question anything she don't want to answer. Especially if it's one that she has lied about.

This last attack was again fran's fault. The court order said... Brindi was to be leashed and muzzled at all times outside HER home or the approved fencing on HER property. None of that was done. Brindi was in the car with windows down, no leash or muzzle. A couple walking their beagle LEGALLY on public property ( not fran's property ) was attacked by Brindi when she jumped out of the car window ( which is why you do make sure the window is closed enough so any dog can't jump out and the leash / muzzle is on ). But of course fran blames the other people and dog. She is never to blame. She is the one being persecuted for no reason... ummm no. She is 100% at fault. She then had the audacity to call the HRM call center to report THEM. In one call she said there was no witness with her, in another call she said there was and low and behold a call came in from that " witness " who said NOTHING about what happened except he said " what fran told you is true". Hmmm Robert Riley... what is true... the first call, second call, third call?? You are just as big of a liar as fran is.

Now she is trying to make the dispatch out to be at fault. Well lets see... this dispatcher WAS at the time her supporter. Yes she suggested fran lie on the report but fran is a big girl and can say NO. I am appalled that the dispatcher acted the way she did.BUT she like her other supporters were conned so she was doing what she thought was helping fran.

"Such a tangled web you weave when to try to deceive" it ALWAYS comes back to bite you.
Like all the donations that are suppose to be for Brindi and her health. I do suggest everyone check out what really is being done medically for Brindi through fran. Seems people are not paying for what they think. Now I do wonder.... seeing as she is not working here ( no visa ) how can she afford a car / insurance?Does she have car insurance? How can she afford so many of the things she does? She keeps saying she has no money.

Speaking of car insurance.... she was in an " accident " ( so she claims ) the morning of March 2nd. Was that why she never called 911? If she went up against a street sign the way she told it, the sign would have been damaged. By law that has to be reported. So did she report it? Or did she leave a scene of an accident because of no insurance?

There are so many things in her saga that if people really looked at it from the beginning to now, they would be sick. Sick and tired of her and sick for what will happen to Brindi all because this person can't or won't follow laws and court orders.

I and many people say enough is enough. Take Brindi from her and get a reputable rescue to help train her and find her the proper home. Only then will Brindi and other dogs be safe.