Well ,Miss Frannie,and we all know who I mean,has pissed off most of the people in HRM,than in Nova Scotia,now it appears that since she started twittering,it looks as if she is beginning to piss off some people in the middle east. If she had a clue,which she doesn't she would be on the hunt for a contractor to rebuild her shack,though I doubt it can be saved at this point.
Than there is the matter of Brindi,which it looks as she has forgotten,and written off disgraceful.
Oh then lets not forget the matter of her owing a lawyer 20,000$ which was resolved by a court order,so now she has a judgement against her and her shack.However even with the judgement the lawyer still will lose as the shack and property is worth about 10,000$ at the most.
Now this "LADY" has provincial nomination to become a per. resident of NS. well,as A tax payer of NS and a citizen of Canada,I will do all in my power to see her sorry ass dragged across the Canadian,US border,the last thing we need in Canada is a piece of trash like Fran Rogier living here.
Yours truly
WK CROFT.
Monday, April 25, 2011
Friday, April 22, 2011
Info from Fran's FB group.
Well as most of you had time to read the tapes,thought I should post this info from Fran's Facebook page,more reason that things just don't add up,than at the end note ...DRUM ROLL....pappal...to funny.
Category:
Common Interest - Pets & Animals
Description:
PLEASE READ!!!
BRINDI MUST NOT DIE AND MUST NOT BE LOCKED UP ANY LONGER ON DEATH ROW!
The city of Halifax has taken extreme retaliative action against Francesca for her success in saving her dog. After locking her up for two years illegally, it seized Brindi again on Sept. 27. This followed a minor incident in her driveway with neighbors related to those who first reported her - and also happen to work for the city. They were determined to see Brindi killed. Yet they both admit to kicking her repeatedly (both at once!) and Brindi did not try to retaliate in any way.
How can you kill a dog who will not attack when it is being harmed by strangers??
The incident was clearly an accident, but the city has a vendetta. Having lost twice to Francesca, it is now hoping to convince a court that she did not obey court conditions. They even used illegally obtained recordings to obtain the seizure warrant. And when Francesca tried to get an injunction for Brindi's release, they did all they could to obstruct it. They had her immigration status investigated, and sent building officials after her, who issued contradictory orders to secure her home - a home renovation postponed because of Brindi's prior ordeal. Then, they evicted her anyway, falsely claiming it was unsafe, and denying her the right to appeal the eviction.
Brindi has never bitten a human; she has caused very little harm to other dogs (minor cuts on 2 occasions). Yet she is being treated very unfairly, and so is her owner, Francesca Rogier. Francesca emigrated to Nova Scotia in 2006 with a simple dream of fixing up an old house and keeping a dog and two cats as family. She was ripped off by a fraudulent contractor who went bankrupt and left her home high and dry. She battled for two years to save her dog.
Her success was short-lived, tragically, as unkind neighbors directly related to the same family who first reported Brindi for a harmless scuffle. They eagerly cooperated with the animal control manager who signed the death order in 2008 after setting her up with an unfairly imposed muzzle order.
Francesca is in dire straits now, because after she met the demands of building officials, doing exactly as an engineer required, they evicted her anyway. She was given minutes to pack some belongings and forced to leave her cat behind. She returned the next night to find that Amelia was trapped in the house and the water heater was broken. It was fully functioning the day before and HRM employees admit suspiciously that they "saw" it was detached from the pipe. As she used the hot water minutes before leaving, this can only mean they did the deed. Hurricanes and winds did not do this in two years!!
HRM has lied in public about her heat and water lacking, and about her house being unsafe. Yet they are unable to lie to her about it as a reason for eviction. Instead, they are autocratically demanding she complete all construction before she can move back in. This is unheard of anywhere in North America! As is the attempt to kill a dog that has never killed or seriously harmed an animal, let alone ONCE bit or threatened a human!!!
HRM (Halifax) have tied her hands so she cannot save herself or her dog: having forced her to spend thousands on the added work in October, they evicted her without notice in November. They also chased off reputable contractors by lying to the press, and are now demanding she submit to their control. She must submit a work schedule that she cannot possibly guarantee with winter weather setting in. Their plan is to move to the next step of claiming she is not serious about finishing and will likely revoke her construction permit very soon. This is a house she loves dearly and planned her new life there with Brindi. She designed a beautiful new garage and basement as a foundation. She lost half of her budget to legal costs yet still wants to make it happen.
Francesca has a right to her dream just as she has a right to be with her dog. Brindi has a right to live in a loving home.
There is no reason on earth for such unacceptable and brutal treatment of a lone female immigrant who worked hard to become a professional and a teacher, and worked hard to train her dog well - Brindi did not bite these peop[le even when they kicked her in the head!!! The only "reason" is that these local civil servants have a chip on their shoulder and want to punish Francesca for standing up for her rights so that she could protect her dog.
They are accustomed to misusing the law to get what they want. That is how they took Brindi for two years and did it again, and that is how they evicted Francesca and are now making it impossible to finish the house, and that will be how they take the house away from her entirely.
THESE ARE UNETHICAL CIVIL SERVANTS with DIRECT CONNECTIONS TO ANIMAL SERVICES DIRECTORS
all from a small clique down at city hall, according to reliable information - people behind the scenes who get their way.
THIS GROUP IS HER ONLY LIFELINE RIGHT NOW!
Francesca is cut off from family and friends and has limited resources, nowhere to live, and a mountain of problems to tackle.
She is not allowed to see Brindi, yet again. And she has been taken to the cleaners one time too many by lawyers.
PLEASE HELP US CARVE OUT A NEW PATH TO FREEDOM FOR BRINDI AND FRANCESCA!!
WE NEED NEW IDEAS AND PEOPLE WILLING TO IMPLEMENT THEM!
CORRUPTION AND ABUSE MUST BE RESISTED WHEREVER THEY RAISE THEIR UGLY HEADS, ESPECIALLY WHERE INNOCENT LIFE AND LIBERTY IS CONCERNED!!
Francesca's liberty is at risk now as well, as she cannot leave the province for fear of Brindi being killed AND her house being taken by the city, who plan to revoke her permit, install some sort of foundation and THEN put a lien on it, until she pays an exorbitant price to get it back!
THEFT, HARASSMENT, PERSECUTION, AND VIOLENCE =- all for the sake of the petty pride of a few lowly municipal public servants!!
THE QUESTION REMAINS: IF WE CANNOT SAVE A DOG, WHAT GOOD ARE WE AS HUMAN BEINGS?
iF WE CANNOT SAVE A WOMAN WHO SAVED HER DOG, WHICH OF US IS NEXT??
DESCRIPTION
**************************************************
Our goal is to save the life of a rescue dog, a mutt named Brindi. We want to see her returned to her rightful owner and beloved human companion, Francesca Rogier.
Brindi has been locked up on death row for TWO YEARS. YET:
She never attacked or threatened a person.
She never killed or caused serious injury to a dog.
Her owner has been denied due process, even to this day.
She is a good-natured mutt, six years old, rescued from a shelter in 2007. A few run-ins with other dogs were reported, but apparently never serious enough to lead to charges. On July 24, 2008, a few days after a minor encounter, animal control officers armed with a warrant and a euthanization order seized Brindi from her home without notice. Since then she’s been on death row at a city pound. Because it is run by the SPCA, Francesca could not even gain their assistance.
Our pets mean the world to us, and vice versa. Their only legal protection is through our rights. But in Halifax, it seems even owners' rights are in peril, as there is no appeal process in place. This forced Francesca, Brindi's owner, to file a lawsuit to keep her alive; she then succeeded in quashing an unfair by-law, voiding the euthanization order. But Halifax kept Brindi locked up. In retaliation, it charged Francesca with three by-law violations in a bid to get a judge to issue a new euthanization order. These charges stem from a six-month old incident and were the first ever laid. The trial has been scheduled for October 13.
Meanwhile, the city's legal basis for holding Brindi is doubtful without a valid order in place. No new warrant was issued.
Brindi was evaluated as "not dangerous" and highly trainable. During eight weeks of obedience class, which she passed with ease, she had no issues with other dogs. Trainers say her errant behavior might relate to her early days on a reserve, where dogs run in packs and guard their territory. They say it can be corrected with training. This is exactly what Francesca wants. She is willing to meet other conditions as well, if only the city return her dog - alive!
Recently, Brindi needed biopsy surgery and may have cancer because the SPCA vet found a lump near her spine. Her teeth are in bad shape as well, and it is incomprehensible that the shelter won't give her her favorite "chew", raw beef bones, that her owner and friends bring her regularly.
Please donate if you can to help with the huge legal bills! And stay tuned for requests for letters and calls!!!
FOR MORE OF THE STORY:
See under Discussion Topics.
Keeping a dog in a pound indefinitely is detrimental to its health. Killing a dog that is not dangerous goes against the principle of protection of animal welfare. Yet the SPCA is participating in this abuse. It is willing to kill this dog, while earning money for it (no less than $414,000 a year, at present). Having kept silent for six months, ignoring her owner's pleas for help, last January the Nova Scotia SPCA began repeatedly asking the city to "re-home" Brindi. Not only is this something the city cannot legally do (without a judge's order); it would be a wrong and cruel thing to do to an owner who has sacrificed so much for the sake of her beloved pet - and it would be cruel to a dog that was neglected for years and has never known any other home.
Brindi has already spent half her life behind bars. She may lose her life altogether unless somebody does something to let Brindi go home where she belongs!!!
HALIFAX DOG OWNERS: SPEAK UP FOR FRANCESCA AND BRINDI! OTHERWISE, YOUR DOG COULD BE NEXT!!
The fact is, if the city “wins”, EVERYBODY loses: an innocent dog will die, and a very dangerous precedent is set.
*************************************************************************
*************************************************************************
PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD ON THIS URGENT PLIGHT TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW: MEDIA COVERAGE IS ESSENTIAL!
BEFORE YOU JOIN: "Save Brindi" is a CALL TO ACTION GROUP!
We need you to send letters, make calls, gather signatures, help with
fundraisers, and participate in local events and demonstrations.
************************************************************************
• For more information, and the trainer’s assessment, see http://freebrindi.blogspot.com
• See letters of support at: http://supportbrindi.blogspot.com
• Sign the Free Brindi ipetition: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/FREEBRINDI/
• Care2 Alert: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/free-brindi-this-dog-must-not-be-euthanized
• Write to public officials – see the discussion topics
• If you're able, you may donate to help pay for legal costs. Go to http://freebrindi.blogspot.com and click on the DONATE button. or click here: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=9595134
• Participate in an auction at: http://www.epier.com/auctions.asp?franya
• Buy a FREE BRINDI t-shirt at http://www.cafepress.com/freebrindi
Category:
Common Interest - Pets & Animals
Description:
PLEASE READ!!!
BRINDI MUST NOT DIE AND MUST NOT BE LOCKED UP ANY LONGER ON DEATH ROW!
The city of Halifax has taken extreme retaliative action against Francesca for her success in saving her dog. After locking her up for two years illegally, it seized Brindi again on Sept. 27. This followed a minor incident in her driveway with neighbors related to those who first reported her - and also happen to work for the city. They were determined to see Brindi killed. Yet they both admit to kicking her repeatedly (both at once!) and Brindi did not try to retaliate in any way.
How can you kill a dog who will not attack when it is being harmed by strangers??
The incident was clearly an accident, but the city has a vendetta. Having lost twice to Francesca, it is now hoping to convince a court that she did not obey court conditions. They even used illegally obtained recordings to obtain the seizure warrant. And when Francesca tried to get an injunction for Brindi's release, they did all they could to obstruct it. They had her immigration status investigated, and sent building officials after her, who issued contradictory orders to secure her home - a home renovation postponed because of Brindi's prior ordeal. Then, they evicted her anyway, falsely claiming it was unsafe, and denying her the right to appeal the eviction.
Brindi has never bitten a human; she has caused very little harm to other dogs (minor cuts on 2 occasions). Yet she is being treated very unfairly, and so is her owner, Francesca Rogier. Francesca emigrated to Nova Scotia in 2006 with a simple dream of fixing up an old house and keeping a dog and two cats as family. She was ripped off by a fraudulent contractor who went bankrupt and left her home high and dry. She battled for two years to save her dog.
Her success was short-lived, tragically, as unkind neighbors directly related to the same family who first reported Brindi for a harmless scuffle. They eagerly cooperated with the animal control manager who signed the death order in 2008 after setting her up with an unfairly imposed muzzle order.
Francesca is in dire straits now, because after she met the demands of building officials, doing exactly as an engineer required, they evicted her anyway. She was given minutes to pack some belongings and forced to leave her cat behind. She returned the next night to find that Amelia was trapped in the house and the water heater was broken. It was fully functioning the day before and HRM employees admit suspiciously that they "saw" it was detached from the pipe. As she used the hot water minutes before leaving, this can only mean they did the deed. Hurricanes and winds did not do this in two years!!
HRM has lied in public about her heat and water lacking, and about her house being unsafe. Yet they are unable to lie to her about it as a reason for eviction. Instead, they are autocratically demanding she complete all construction before she can move back in. This is unheard of anywhere in North America! As is the attempt to kill a dog that has never killed or seriously harmed an animal, let alone ONCE bit or threatened a human!!!
HRM (Halifax) have tied her hands so she cannot save herself or her dog: having forced her to spend thousands on the added work in October, they evicted her without notice in November. They also chased off reputable contractors by lying to the press, and are now demanding she submit to their control. She must submit a work schedule that she cannot possibly guarantee with winter weather setting in. Their plan is to move to the next step of claiming she is not serious about finishing and will likely revoke her construction permit very soon. This is a house she loves dearly and planned her new life there with Brindi. She designed a beautiful new garage and basement as a foundation. She lost half of her budget to legal costs yet still wants to make it happen.
Francesca has a right to her dream just as she has a right to be with her dog. Brindi has a right to live in a loving home.
There is no reason on earth for such unacceptable and brutal treatment of a lone female immigrant who worked hard to become a professional and a teacher, and worked hard to train her dog well - Brindi did not bite these peop[le even when they kicked her in the head!!! The only "reason" is that these local civil servants have a chip on their shoulder and want to punish Francesca for standing up for her rights so that she could protect her dog.
They are accustomed to misusing the law to get what they want. That is how they took Brindi for two years and did it again, and that is how they evicted Francesca and are now making it impossible to finish the house, and that will be how they take the house away from her entirely.
THESE ARE UNETHICAL CIVIL SERVANTS with DIRECT CONNECTIONS TO ANIMAL SERVICES DIRECTORS
all from a small clique down at city hall, according to reliable information - people behind the scenes who get their way.
THIS GROUP IS HER ONLY LIFELINE RIGHT NOW!
Francesca is cut off from family and friends and has limited resources, nowhere to live, and a mountain of problems to tackle.
She is not allowed to see Brindi, yet again. And she has been taken to the cleaners one time too many by lawyers.
PLEASE HELP US CARVE OUT A NEW PATH TO FREEDOM FOR BRINDI AND FRANCESCA!!
WE NEED NEW IDEAS AND PEOPLE WILLING TO IMPLEMENT THEM!
CORRUPTION AND ABUSE MUST BE RESISTED WHEREVER THEY RAISE THEIR UGLY HEADS, ESPECIALLY WHERE INNOCENT LIFE AND LIBERTY IS CONCERNED!!
Francesca's liberty is at risk now as well, as she cannot leave the province for fear of Brindi being killed AND her house being taken by the city, who plan to revoke her permit, install some sort of foundation and THEN put a lien on it, until she pays an exorbitant price to get it back!
THEFT, HARASSMENT, PERSECUTION, AND VIOLENCE =- all for the sake of the petty pride of a few lowly municipal public servants!!
THE QUESTION REMAINS: IF WE CANNOT SAVE A DOG, WHAT GOOD ARE WE AS HUMAN BEINGS?
iF WE CANNOT SAVE A WOMAN WHO SAVED HER DOG, WHICH OF US IS NEXT??
DESCRIPTION
**************************************************
Our goal is to save the life of a rescue dog, a mutt named Brindi. We want to see her returned to her rightful owner and beloved human companion, Francesca Rogier.
Brindi has been locked up on death row for TWO YEARS. YET:
She never attacked or threatened a person.
She never killed or caused serious injury to a dog.
Her owner has been denied due process, even to this day.
She is a good-natured mutt, six years old, rescued from a shelter in 2007. A few run-ins with other dogs were reported, but apparently never serious enough to lead to charges. On July 24, 2008, a few days after a minor encounter, animal control officers armed with a warrant and a euthanization order seized Brindi from her home without notice. Since then she’s been on death row at a city pound. Because it is run by the SPCA, Francesca could not even gain their assistance.
Our pets mean the world to us, and vice versa. Their only legal protection is through our rights. But in Halifax, it seems even owners' rights are in peril, as there is no appeal process in place. This forced Francesca, Brindi's owner, to file a lawsuit to keep her alive; she then succeeded in quashing an unfair by-law, voiding the euthanization order. But Halifax kept Brindi locked up. In retaliation, it charged Francesca with three by-law violations in a bid to get a judge to issue a new euthanization order. These charges stem from a six-month old incident and were the first ever laid. The trial has been scheduled for October 13.
Meanwhile, the city's legal basis for holding Brindi is doubtful without a valid order in place. No new warrant was issued.
Brindi was evaluated as "not dangerous" and highly trainable. During eight weeks of obedience class, which she passed with ease, she had no issues with other dogs. Trainers say her errant behavior might relate to her early days on a reserve, where dogs run in packs and guard their territory. They say it can be corrected with training. This is exactly what Francesca wants. She is willing to meet other conditions as well, if only the city return her dog - alive!
Recently, Brindi needed biopsy surgery and may have cancer because the SPCA vet found a lump near her spine. Her teeth are in bad shape as well, and it is incomprehensible that the shelter won't give her her favorite "chew", raw beef bones, that her owner and friends bring her regularly.
Please donate if you can to help with the huge legal bills! And stay tuned for requests for letters and calls!!!
FOR MORE OF THE STORY:
See under Discussion Topics.
Keeping a dog in a pound indefinitely is detrimental to its health. Killing a dog that is not dangerous goes against the principle of protection of animal welfare. Yet the SPCA is participating in this abuse. It is willing to kill this dog, while earning money for it (no less than $414,000 a year, at present). Having kept silent for six months, ignoring her owner's pleas for help, last January the Nova Scotia SPCA began repeatedly asking the city to "re-home" Brindi. Not only is this something the city cannot legally do (without a judge's order); it would be a wrong and cruel thing to do to an owner who has sacrificed so much for the sake of her beloved pet - and it would be cruel to a dog that was neglected for years and has never known any other home.
Brindi has already spent half her life behind bars. She may lose her life altogether unless somebody does something to let Brindi go home where she belongs!!!
HALIFAX DOG OWNERS: SPEAK UP FOR FRANCESCA AND BRINDI! OTHERWISE, YOUR DOG COULD BE NEXT!!
The fact is, if the city “wins”, EVERYBODY loses: an innocent dog will die, and a very dangerous precedent is set.
*************************************************************************
*************************************************************************
PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD ON THIS URGENT PLIGHT TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW: MEDIA COVERAGE IS ESSENTIAL!
BEFORE YOU JOIN: "Save Brindi" is a CALL TO ACTION GROUP!
We need you to send letters, make calls, gather signatures, help with
fundraisers, and participate in local events and demonstrations.
************************************************************************
• For more information, and the trainer’s assessment, see http://freebrindi.blogspot.com
• See letters of support at: http://supportbrindi.blogspot.com
• Sign the Free Brindi ipetition: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/FREEBRINDI/
• Care2 Alert: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/free-brindi-this-dog-must-not-be-euthanized
• Write to public officials – see the discussion topics
• If you're able, you may donate to help pay for legal costs. Go to http://freebrindi.blogspot.com and click on the DONATE button. or click here: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=9595134
• Participate in an auction at: http://www.epier.com/auctions.asp?franya
• Buy a FREE BRINDI t-shirt at http://www.cafepress.com/freebrindi
All Fran's twitter accounts ( that we know of)
http://twitter.com/#!/BrindisMom
http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23Brindi
http://twitter.com/#!/franyafranya
http://twitter.com/#!/HumaneHalifax
http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23Brindi
http://twitter.com/#!/franyafranya
http://twitter.com/#!/HumaneHalifax
Thursday, April 21, 2011
Fran checking in to see if she can get her ass out of this situation.
FRANCESCA / MICHELLE – 3RD CALL - AFTER MEDIA PUBLISHED STORY
September 16, 2010 zero hours 31 minutes 44 seconds
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Michelle: HRM dispatch
Francesca: Michelle?
Michelle: yeah?
Francesca: is that Michelle Steen?
Michelle: it is.
Francesca: hi, it's Francesca.
Michelle: hi.
Francesca: do you know what happened?
Michelle: no why?
Francesca: if you go on the Herald... you won’t believe this, okay?. Those people reported me at eight, like you know actually it happened after nine, around 9:05 but they reported it to the RCMP.
Michelle: why did they do that?
Francesca: I don't know but they put in the report before I did.
Michelle: right.
Francesca: and it got into the paper. It's in the papers. They posted an article in the Herald at 5: 40 today.
Michelle: they must have found out who you were.
Francesca: and, well, here's the thing. When I went back to my house, you know I left -- -- inaudible [1:00] -- --, when a went back to my house, I don't know if I mentioned to you there was a squad car in front of my house and the guy got out and said to this cop that he had a rock in his windshield or something.
Michelle: yes
Francesca: and it was right then, it was like, and she had her lights on and she was parked right in front of my house and I thought she was coming for me.
Michelle: right
Francesca: now if I had spoken to her before I talk to you I would have told her the whole truth, right?
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: so anyway I left there, I kind of like snuck off to the left to get back to the car where Brindi was... but I don't understand. See they're not following protocol.
Michelle: are they coming for Brindi?
Francesca: huh?
Michelle: are they coming for Brindi?
Francesca: I don't know.
Michelle: but there's no report in the system here at all.
Francesca: there's no report because these people called the RCMP and the RCMP went out. They answered the call. They didn't refer to animal control. And they decided to come right away. And there was no urgency. There is no like, and the article in the paper implies that the dog was all injured and everything. But it doesn't say, you know, it says they took it to the vet. It says it might have wounds and they might be doing photos. They say nothing about actual injuries.
Michelle: oh my God.
Francesca: and it's just the worst. It's the fucking worst. And I get a call... so here's the thing. I am talking to you, I talked to Susan Jordan, I talked to the trainer this morning and I didn't tell her I had already reported it. I told her I was thinking about it and the whole thing. I just didn't want her, you know, we were trying to work it out. Come on, Brindi. Get in the car. And you know and then I saw everything. And Susan's going just don't report it, just wait a day. If they haven't reported so far maybe they won't do it, they will think better of it, blah blah blah. And then...
Michelle: instead they went through the...
Francesca: they had already reported it and see your reasoning was great. I just wish I had run, I should have run right away and reported it.
Michelle: yes.
Francesca: I'm working on getting two friends of mine to get me the dates of the other times I've told about Brindi being attacked this summer because I know the locations and
Michelle: so you don't know what they're going to do now at all?
Francesca: I don't know anything. So I stayed at a friends house last night, and I didn't find out, here's the problem is this, I was at my house, back at my house today without Brindi and I went in and I spent like this call might run out actually because I'm on a paid cell but anyway, I'll try to make it quick, Anyway, I went back to my house and I left my house at quarter to four. I checked my voicemail and my landline area nothing. Okay? Nothing from the cops. Nothing from anybody. Nothing from you. Okay? So I leave and I left my cell phone in my car while I was walking Brindi for an hour or so and I get back and it's like five o'clock and I see a couple messages but I don't see that it's Hendsbee. Hendsbee called me. I just got the message off my phone now. Called me at five o'clock saying he's getting calls from the media. At five o'clock. Okay, the RCMP never phoned my house.
Michelle: no.
Francesca: animal control never called my house. But they called the media.
Michelle: animal control did?
Francesca: somebody did because Andrea MacDonald was quoted in this article. It's on Herald.ca right now.
Michelle: yeah I see that now. I just put it on.
Francesca: all right you read it and figure out what the hell is going on here. It's very strange.
Michelle: Constable who ? Bracken spokeswoman for the Mounties would not say that the dog alleged to have attacked the other is Brindi but sources said it was indeed the well-known animal. Brindi was released to Rogier in mid-July after a lengthy and expensive fight with the Halifax region in two separate courts. The municipality had wanted Brindi, seized in... okay... Brindi was also to be muzzled...
Francesca: they had wanted Brindi seized. This is one of their worst writers, by the way. And here's the thing like so like him between four o'clock or something and 5:40, they published this article online. They actually published it. They called Hendsbee at five and it's online at five and I didn't find out until after nine.
Michelle: it says it wasn't clear what happened between the two dogs, but it's believed the alleged attack occurred after Brindi left a vehicle driven into Rogier's driveway. The beagle was being taken for a walk at the time by the complainants.
Francesca: they don't name them but they put my home address.
Michelle: exactly.
Francesca: okay? They say...
Michelle: we were called regarding an animal complaint.
Michelle: "we were called regarding an animal complaint." But there's nothing in our system. I looked as soon as I got to work and there's nothing. Of course that doesn't mean that it couldn't be in their system.
Francesca: because the RCMP is doing it. That's the thing. Somehow something's going on.
Michelle: "we were called regarding an animal complaint. RCMP officers did do an investigation; as a result the file has been turned over to animal services. Andrea McDonald a manager with Animal Services for HRM confirmed a probe is underwaybut also would not release the identities of those involved. We are in the initial stages of an investigation..."
Francesca: it's going to be in the papers tomorrow when people, you know, when they get up, they're going to see this in the paper.
Michelle: yes but you did say that Animal Aervices had previously been to one of the E. Chezzetcook Rd. addresses before.
Francesca: and that doesn't make any, I don't know what that means. And it was in front of my house and they're saying, I don't think there is 722...
Michelle: "sources said Wednesday that neither dog appeared to be badly hurt in the scuffle. The beagle was taken to veterinary Wednesday, to the veterinarian Wednesday." Oh, it's on here. The sources, they have it, the sources also said Rogier contacted Animal Services at about 1:00 AM to file a complaint against the beagle.
Francesca: yeah. So they went into your records.
Michelle: yes they did.
Francesca: how did they get that?
Michelle: well as soon as you file a complaint it goes to Animal Services for them to investigate it anyway right?
Francesca: yeah but how did they get that and it's not showing up on your record about the other one and, you know. How is that working?
Michelle: that I don't know.
Francesca: you know, and... and... like why would the RCMP be investigating...
Michelle: "McDonald said a bylaw officer was collecting evidence and interviewing the parties involved and possibly obtaining photos." What bylaw?
Francesca: by law officers are cops. They're not animal control officers. By law officers are cops who enforce the bylaws and Bill Moore is one of them. And that, and then there are bylaw officers who are not cops and don't work for animal control. Doesn't make sense unless they are talking about animal control officers. They're separate from the other bylaw officers. But none of this follows the routine. The RCMP, if they got a call, like a 911 call or something, I don't know why she called 911 but if they called they should have directed her to you. Right?
Michelle: yeah
Francesca: they should have said that's not our job. You call 490-4000 and they will dispatch somebody or whatever. They'll take the report. They didn't do that. They sent out a car. They sent out a squad car immediately to my house.
Michelle: they are even quoting you. On an August 12th Facebook posting on Save Brindi from the city of Halifax, Rogier said Brindi had been attacked by seven other, attacked by other dogs at least seven times. No injuries, maybe soreness, but she's starting to get really freaked out, Rogier wrote. I want her to be able to get along with dogs like she used to but they see the muzzle and it makes them get aggressive.
Francesca: good that's good they quoted that.
Michelle: they did.
Francesca: good. That's why I wanted you to put in the report that I had had those other attacks. Remember that and use it to keep it simple. Is there anyway... now here's the thing, I'm wondering if I should send out a press release. I'm not in HRM right now.
Michelle: I don't blame you and I wouldn't be.
Francesca: and Bob Riley, I can't trust him because he starts drinking. Last night he started drinking and he was driving me crazy. But tonight he was even worse and he was getting out of hand. And I'm telling my friends that, I'm telling like, I'm trying to restrict the number of people who really know what happened, and I'm telling them the muzzle was on, the muzzle was on and... they didn't, did they say anything about the muzzle on there?
Michelle: I'm trying to read it. Let me look at the beginning again. It doesn't say whether the muzzle is on or not.
Francesca: good, good good. But I, you know,
Michelle: it just says that Brindi the dog might be in trouble again. But it doesn't say whether the muzzle was on or off it doesn't say any details.
Francesca: why do they spin the headline like that? Nobody reads to the end of a newspaper article. Very few people read to the end...
Michelle: but they say in the beginning like all my gosh she attacked again, oh my gosh.
Francesca: when you read it all the way through, it sounds like it's possible Brindi was attacked.
Michelle: yes.
Francesca: and they don't say that it was in front of my house...
Michelle: no because it says it right here that you called at 1:00 AM to file a complaint about the other dog.
Francesca: but it doesn't say it was in front of my house or anything and it's... very strange. So like yeah they went to, in fact I don't even know if I posted that on a group thing or on my wall. And only my friends my Facebook friends can see my wall.
Michelle: it says on an August 12th Facebook on save Brindi from the City of Halifax...
Francesca: okay, all right. And I get a call from Hendsbee like tell me what's going on and I'm... but none of the media called me because they have my cell number.
Michelle: it says a call to Rogier was not immediately returned Wednesday.
Francesca: well they must've called after 3:30 or after quarter of four, I'm telling you like I was there for an hour today, checked all the messages. I didn't get a call and that article was being written then. Because they were calling, you know, they were calling Hendsbee and doing all this stuff and like what the hell. What the hell?
Michelle: people. I don't trust those people really at all because why did they report to the media right away.
Francesca: yeah like who would have leaked it to the media? The RCMP?
Michelle: no because they're not allowed to.
Francesca: but they did. And if they didn't do it then it was Andrea McDonald?
Michelle: someone did.
Francesca: you know I don't think it was the people that reported it. Oh shit, I'm going to get stuck here.
Francesca: it's a good thing that I have all-wheel drive on this car that I just bought. Hold on. Actually I have to make a U-turn. I left Brindi, I was like worried all the time, and I really can't talk too long now but if you just check out, you know, I don't even know what you can do. Bob's sitting there going just wait and call Michelle. I said Michelle can't do anything about this. Don't you get it? They went around this. They circumvented the whole system.
Michelle: I know.
Francesca: and I wonder if they know that I know you. Do they know that?
Michelle: no.
Francesca: they don't, do they?
Michelle: nobody knows, not even my coworkers, nobody knows.
Francesca: they don't know because you never came to court or anything right? So they never, they don't know.
Michelle: right. No they don't.
Francesca: and there's nobody you know in there, right? You don't have anybody inside animal control? When Tim was talking to me he was suggesting that maybe, I said maybe I could talk to Brad because he said Brad was thinking of quitting and I said can I talk to him?
Michelle: out of all of them I would say Brad is the best.
Francesca: but Tim says he's a very shy guy, he doesn't get out, he's not outspoken and he doesn't get involved in stuff. Then I went yeah, I understand.
Michelle: if you needed to talk to any animal control officer at all I would say either Brad or -- -Leah Parsons
Francesca: do you think that I should call the animal control people tomorrow morning? Or what?
Michelle: I don't know how far they're going to take this. That's the point.
Francesca: well obviously they're saying they're investigating so that would imply that they need to speak to me.
Michelle: right. And obviously, so you filed a complaint but they filed it first I suppose, but even so there's two complaints in there now and the point is they can't ignore yours. They can't, they can't ignore either complaint. That's the thing. Because it’s .,. a complaint is there. They know it.
Francesca: do I take the next step and be proactive and contact them at this juncture or do I wait because I'm not home. And I don't know, do they have caller ID there and stuff? What do they do?
Michelle: well if you have a prepaid cell phone I would use that because yeah they do have caller ID but yours is not showing up on my number.
Francesca: it's blocked, I blocked it.
Michelle: yeah I know.
Francesca: so that's cool but then you know they're going to want to come and talk to me. Here's the thing I have plenty of reasons to leave the city and I can say to them the newspaper published my address, I've been stalked by people for the last year and a half, I don't feel safe and they've been threatening to shoot my dog so I took her out.
Michelle: Yep.
Francesca: all right?
Michelle: and don't even let them no where.
Francesca: no
Michelle: because if it's that bad, yeah, I would get out of the city.
Francesca: because this is the truth. People were saying somebody was going to shoot her and blah blah blah and now that they're doing this.
Michelle: but this is going to cause a whole mob of people, people already threatening to shoot her.
Francesca: and that's why I'm wondering if I should issue a press release that says that. Identical to what I say to the city. I say here's my report, here's what's going on and I don't feel safe here and I don't feel this is going to be fair treatment and whatever. I don't need to say fair treatment.
Michelle: if there's any way you could leave before they seize her, I would go. I'm not saying they are going to seize her but I wouldn't even let them get...
Francesca: I don't even want to let them touch, see her. I don't want her to be anywhere around.
Michelle: exactly.
Francesca: and Bob sitting there arguing with me. I should stay with him the night and he won't let the cops in and he's like drinking. And I'm like will you shut up and stuff. And I'm making a hotel booking, motel booking and he is in the background, he's going Brindi come here Brindi. I'm like shut up.
Michelle: exactly.
Francesca: I really should be getting out of the province because everybody in this fucking province knows my name, my face and her face.
Michelle: that's the problem. And they made it the first page too. Because as soon as I put it on the page it's there.
Francesca: what I'm doing, I'm not going to stay very long. I'm trying to get out of the province after tonight. Like I'm going to stay here in the province tonight but out of HRM and I'm going to go...
Michelle: if you want my honest opinion,
Francesca: what?
Michelle: I wouldn't call anyone. I would go.
Francesca: you wouldn't, do what?
Michelle: I wouldn't call anyone. I would just go.
Francesca: well, I'm gone, you know, I'm gone.
Michelle: I wouldn't call and make a press release. I would just -- -- inaudible [16:05] -- -- to go.
Francesca: and not report back ever?
Michelle: no.
Francesca: but I can't do that, Michelle. What about my house?
Michelle: I know.
Francesca: I can't even sell it because it's up on stilts still.
Michelle: I know. At least until things calm down. That's the thing.
Francesca: what things are going to have to calm down with me being part of it, right?
Michelle: yeah, I know.
Francesca: I have to be in touch somehow and what I can do is I can either wait to see if they leave a message on my home phone and reply or I can be a little bit more upfront because this is in the paper now and take the step of calling them in the press release would just simply state this is what, I reported this, this is what's been happening, this is happened...
Michelle: don't let anyone know you are thinking of leaving though because then they might rush around and... no I would just... if you want to make a press release, make it...
Francesca: but don't say that I took her away?
Michelle: no.
Francesca: if it comes out that I took her away then that's the whole thing. I feared for her safety and I feared for mine...
Michelle: exactly.
Francesca: blame it on the Herald because of that article.
Michelle: exactly.
Francesca: I'll blame it on the Herald calls I'll say I didn't leave until I found out about that article and I was terrified and you know...
Michelle: everybody knows where you live, and you're getting death threats.
Francesca: so I don't trust, you know, I don't feel safe and nobody's protecting me so
Michelle: exactly.
Francesca: that's what I would do I guess. Maybe you're right, I won't put in the press release but I would have to put something in a press release. And they don't even talk about what their name is.
Michel: no, they don't.
Francesca: and they don't have anything in your system so you can't even give me their names?
Michel: no.
Francesca: what if I called, would the RCMP give it to me? Probably not?
Michelle: probably not. No.
Francesca: you know what I'm going to say? I'm not going to give them any information until they give me the names of those people.
Michelle: it's right there, 772 E. Chezzetcook. Wrote at 8:54 PM. Is that your address?
Francesca: Michelle, I'm running out of money now.
Michelle: okay.
Francesca: so I'm going to let you go, okay? But I just wanted you to know.
Michelle: Yep.
Francesca: and anything, any other thoughts you have, call me in the morning or something, after work.
Michelle: I will.
Francesca: all right. Thank you so much.
Michelle: no problem.
Francesca: okay bye bye.
September 16, 2010 zero hours 31 minutes 44 seconds
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Michelle: HRM dispatch
Francesca: Michelle?
Michelle: yeah?
Francesca: is that Michelle Steen?
Michelle: it is.
Francesca: hi, it's Francesca.
Michelle: hi.
Francesca: do you know what happened?
Michelle: no why?
Francesca: if you go on the Herald... you won’t believe this, okay?. Those people reported me at eight, like you know actually it happened after nine, around 9:05 but they reported it to the RCMP.
Michelle: why did they do that?
Francesca: I don't know but they put in the report before I did.
Michelle: right.
Francesca: and it got into the paper. It's in the papers. They posted an article in the Herald at 5: 40 today.
Michelle: they must have found out who you were.
Francesca: and, well, here's the thing. When I went back to my house, you know I left -- -- inaudible [1:00] -- --, when a went back to my house, I don't know if I mentioned to you there was a squad car in front of my house and the guy got out and said to this cop that he had a rock in his windshield or something.
Michelle: yes
Francesca: and it was right then, it was like, and she had her lights on and she was parked right in front of my house and I thought she was coming for me.
Michelle: right
Francesca: now if I had spoken to her before I talk to you I would have told her the whole truth, right?
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: so anyway I left there, I kind of like snuck off to the left to get back to the car where Brindi was... but I don't understand. See they're not following protocol.
Michelle: are they coming for Brindi?
Francesca: huh?
Michelle: are they coming for Brindi?
Francesca: I don't know.
Michelle: but there's no report in the system here at all.
Francesca: there's no report because these people called the RCMP and the RCMP went out. They answered the call. They didn't refer to animal control. And they decided to come right away. And there was no urgency. There is no like, and the article in the paper implies that the dog was all injured and everything. But it doesn't say, you know, it says they took it to the vet. It says it might have wounds and they might be doing photos. They say nothing about actual injuries.
Michelle: oh my God.
Francesca: and it's just the worst. It's the fucking worst. And I get a call... so here's the thing. I am talking to you, I talked to Susan Jordan, I talked to the trainer this morning and I didn't tell her I had already reported it. I told her I was thinking about it and the whole thing. I just didn't want her, you know, we were trying to work it out. Come on, Brindi. Get in the car. And you know and then I saw everything. And Susan's going just don't report it, just wait a day. If they haven't reported so far maybe they won't do it, they will think better of it, blah blah blah. And then...
Michelle: instead they went through the...
Francesca: they had already reported it and see your reasoning was great. I just wish I had run, I should have run right away and reported it.
Michelle: yes.
Francesca: I'm working on getting two friends of mine to get me the dates of the other times I've told about Brindi being attacked this summer because I know the locations and
Michelle: so you don't know what they're going to do now at all?
Francesca: I don't know anything. So I stayed at a friends house last night, and I didn't find out, here's the problem is this, I was at my house, back at my house today without Brindi and I went in and I spent like this call might run out actually because I'm on a paid cell but anyway, I'll try to make it quick, Anyway, I went back to my house and I left my house at quarter to four. I checked my voicemail and my landline area nothing. Okay? Nothing from the cops. Nothing from anybody. Nothing from you. Okay? So I leave and I left my cell phone in my car while I was walking Brindi for an hour or so and I get back and it's like five o'clock and I see a couple messages but I don't see that it's Hendsbee. Hendsbee called me. I just got the message off my phone now. Called me at five o'clock saying he's getting calls from the media. At five o'clock. Okay, the RCMP never phoned my house.
Michelle: no.
Francesca: animal control never called my house. But they called the media.
Michelle: animal control did?
Francesca: somebody did because Andrea MacDonald was quoted in this article. It's on Herald.ca right now.
Michelle: yeah I see that now. I just put it on.
Francesca: all right you read it and figure out what the hell is going on here. It's very strange.
Michelle: Constable who ? Bracken spokeswoman for the Mounties would not say that the dog alleged to have attacked the other is Brindi but sources said it was indeed the well-known animal. Brindi was released to Rogier in mid-July after a lengthy and expensive fight with the Halifax region in two separate courts. The municipality had wanted Brindi, seized in... okay... Brindi was also to be muzzled...
Francesca: they had wanted Brindi seized. This is one of their worst writers, by the way. And here's the thing like so like him between four o'clock or something and 5:40, they published this article online. They actually published it. They called Hendsbee at five and it's online at five and I didn't find out until after nine.
Michelle: it says it wasn't clear what happened between the two dogs, but it's believed the alleged attack occurred after Brindi left a vehicle driven into Rogier's driveway. The beagle was being taken for a walk at the time by the complainants.
Francesca: they don't name them but they put my home address.
Michelle: exactly.
Francesca: okay? They say...
Michelle: we were called regarding an animal complaint.
Michelle: "we were called regarding an animal complaint." But there's nothing in our system. I looked as soon as I got to work and there's nothing. Of course that doesn't mean that it couldn't be in their system.
Francesca: because the RCMP is doing it. That's the thing. Somehow something's going on.
Michelle: "we were called regarding an animal complaint. RCMP officers did do an investigation; as a result the file has been turned over to animal services. Andrea McDonald a manager with Animal Services for HRM confirmed a probe is underwaybut also would not release the identities of those involved. We are in the initial stages of an investigation..."
Francesca: it's going to be in the papers tomorrow when people, you know, when they get up, they're going to see this in the paper.
Michelle: yes but you did say that Animal Aervices had previously been to one of the E. Chezzetcook Rd. addresses before.
Francesca: and that doesn't make any, I don't know what that means. And it was in front of my house and they're saying, I don't think there is 722...
Michelle: "sources said Wednesday that neither dog appeared to be badly hurt in the scuffle. The beagle was taken to veterinary Wednesday, to the veterinarian Wednesday." Oh, it's on here. The sources, they have it, the sources also said Rogier contacted Animal Services at about 1:00 AM to file a complaint against the beagle.
Francesca: yeah. So they went into your records.
Michelle: yes they did.
Francesca: how did they get that?
Michelle: well as soon as you file a complaint it goes to Animal Services for them to investigate it anyway right?
Francesca: yeah but how did they get that and it's not showing up on your record about the other one and, you know. How is that working?
Michelle: that I don't know.
Francesca: you know, and... and... like why would the RCMP be investigating...
Michelle: "McDonald said a bylaw officer was collecting evidence and interviewing the parties involved and possibly obtaining photos." What bylaw?
Francesca: by law officers are cops. They're not animal control officers. By law officers are cops who enforce the bylaws and Bill Moore is one of them. And that, and then there are bylaw officers who are not cops and don't work for animal control. Doesn't make sense unless they are talking about animal control officers. They're separate from the other bylaw officers. But none of this follows the routine. The RCMP, if they got a call, like a 911 call or something, I don't know why she called 911 but if they called they should have directed her to you. Right?
Michelle: yeah
Francesca: they should have said that's not our job. You call 490-4000 and they will dispatch somebody or whatever. They'll take the report. They didn't do that. They sent out a car. They sent out a squad car immediately to my house.
Michelle: they are even quoting you. On an August 12th Facebook posting on Save Brindi from the city of Halifax, Rogier said Brindi had been attacked by seven other, attacked by other dogs at least seven times. No injuries, maybe soreness, but she's starting to get really freaked out, Rogier wrote. I want her to be able to get along with dogs like she used to but they see the muzzle and it makes them get aggressive.
Francesca: good that's good they quoted that.
Michelle: they did.
Francesca: good. That's why I wanted you to put in the report that I had had those other attacks. Remember that and use it to keep it simple. Is there anyway... now here's the thing, I'm wondering if I should send out a press release. I'm not in HRM right now.
Michelle: I don't blame you and I wouldn't be.
Francesca: and Bob Riley, I can't trust him because he starts drinking. Last night he started drinking and he was driving me crazy. But tonight he was even worse and he was getting out of hand. And I'm telling my friends that, I'm telling like, I'm trying to restrict the number of people who really know what happened, and I'm telling them the muzzle was on, the muzzle was on and... they didn't, did they say anything about the muzzle on there?
Michelle: I'm trying to read it. Let me look at the beginning again. It doesn't say whether the muzzle is on or not.
Francesca: good, good good. But I, you know,
Michelle: it just says that Brindi the dog might be in trouble again. But it doesn't say whether the muzzle was on or off it doesn't say any details.
Francesca: why do they spin the headline like that? Nobody reads to the end of a newspaper article. Very few people read to the end...
Michelle: but they say in the beginning like all my gosh she attacked again, oh my gosh.
Francesca: when you read it all the way through, it sounds like it's possible Brindi was attacked.
Michelle: yes.
Francesca: and they don't say that it was in front of my house...
Michelle: no because it says it right here that you called at 1:00 AM to file a complaint about the other dog.
Francesca: but it doesn't say it was in front of my house or anything and it's... very strange. So like yeah they went to, in fact I don't even know if I posted that on a group thing or on my wall. And only my friends my Facebook friends can see my wall.
Michelle: it says on an August 12th Facebook on save Brindi from the City of Halifax...
Francesca: okay, all right. And I get a call from Hendsbee like tell me what's going on and I'm... but none of the media called me because they have my cell number.
Michelle: it says a call to Rogier was not immediately returned Wednesday.
Francesca: well they must've called after 3:30 or after quarter of four, I'm telling you like I was there for an hour today, checked all the messages. I didn't get a call and that article was being written then. Because they were calling, you know, they were calling Hendsbee and doing all this stuff and like what the hell. What the hell?
Michelle: people. I don't trust those people really at all because why did they report to the media right away.
Francesca: yeah like who would have leaked it to the media? The RCMP?
Michelle: no because they're not allowed to.
Francesca: but they did. And if they didn't do it then it was Andrea McDonald?
Michelle: someone did.
Francesca: you know I don't think it was the people that reported it. Oh shit, I'm going to get stuck here.
Francesca: it's a good thing that I have all-wheel drive on this car that I just bought. Hold on. Actually I have to make a U-turn. I left Brindi, I was like worried all the time, and I really can't talk too long now but if you just check out, you know, I don't even know what you can do. Bob's sitting there going just wait and call Michelle. I said Michelle can't do anything about this. Don't you get it? They went around this. They circumvented the whole system.
Michelle: I know.
Francesca: and I wonder if they know that I know you. Do they know that?
Michelle: no.
Francesca: they don't, do they?
Michelle: nobody knows, not even my coworkers, nobody knows.
Francesca: they don't know because you never came to court or anything right? So they never, they don't know.
Michelle: right. No they don't.
Francesca: and there's nobody you know in there, right? You don't have anybody inside animal control? When Tim was talking to me he was suggesting that maybe, I said maybe I could talk to Brad because he said Brad was thinking of quitting and I said can I talk to him?
Michelle: out of all of them I would say Brad is the best.
Francesca: but Tim says he's a very shy guy, he doesn't get out, he's not outspoken and he doesn't get involved in stuff. Then I went yeah, I understand.
Michelle: if you needed to talk to any animal control officer at all I would say either Brad or -- -Leah Parsons
Francesca: do you think that I should call the animal control people tomorrow morning? Or what?
Michelle: I don't know how far they're going to take this. That's the point.
Francesca: well obviously they're saying they're investigating so that would imply that they need to speak to me.
Michelle: right. And obviously, so you filed a complaint but they filed it first I suppose, but even so there's two complaints in there now and the point is they can't ignore yours. They can't, they can't ignore either complaint. That's the thing. Because it’s .,. a complaint is there. They know it.
Francesca: do I take the next step and be proactive and contact them at this juncture or do I wait because I'm not home. And I don't know, do they have caller ID there and stuff? What do they do?
Michelle: well if you have a prepaid cell phone I would use that because yeah they do have caller ID but yours is not showing up on my number.
Francesca: it's blocked, I blocked it.
Michelle: yeah I know.
Francesca: so that's cool but then you know they're going to want to come and talk to me. Here's the thing I have plenty of reasons to leave the city and I can say to them the newspaper published my address, I've been stalked by people for the last year and a half, I don't feel safe and they've been threatening to shoot my dog so I took her out.
Michelle: Yep.
Francesca: all right?
Michelle: and don't even let them no where.
Francesca: no
Michelle: because if it's that bad, yeah, I would get out of the city.
Francesca: because this is the truth. People were saying somebody was going to shoot her and blah blah blah and now that they're doing this.
Michelle: but this is going to cause a whole mob of people, people already threatening to shoot her.
Francesca: and that's why I'm wondering if I should issue a press release that says that. Identical to what I say to the city. I say here's my report, here's what's going on and I don't feel safe here and I don't feel this is going to be fair treatment and whatever. I don't need to say fair treatment.
Michelle: if there's any way you could leave before they seize her, I would go. I'm not saying they are going to seize her but I wouldn't even let them get...
Francesca: I don't even want to let them touch, see her. I don't want her to be anywhere around.
Michelle: exactly.
Francesca: and Bob sitting there arguing with me. I should stay with him the night and he won't let the cops in and he's like drinking. And I'm like will you shut up and stuff. And I'm making a hotel booking, motel booking and he is in the background, he's going Brindi come here Brindi. I'm like shut up.
Michelle: exactly.
Francesca: I really should be getting out of the province because everybody in this fucking province knows my name, my face and her face.
Michelle: that's the problem. And they made it the first page too. Because as soon as I put it on the page it's there.
Francesca: what I'm doing, I'm not going to stay very long. I'm trying to get out of the province after tonight. Like I'm going to stay here in the province tonight but out of HRM and I'm going to go...
Michelle: if you want my honest opinion,
Francesca: what?
Michelle: I wouldn't call anyone. I would go.
Francesca: you wouldn't, do what?
Michelle: I wouldn't call anyone. I would just go.
Francesca: well, I'm gone, you know, I'm gone.
Michelle: I wouldn't call and make a press release. I would just -- -- inaudible [16:05] -- -- to go.
Francesca: and not report back ever?
Michelle: no.
Francesca: but I can't do that, Michelle. What about my house?
Michelle: I know.
Francesca: I can't even sell it because it's up on stilts still.
Michelle: I know. At least until things calm down. That's the thing.
Francesca: what things are going to have to calm down with me being part of it, right?
Michelle: yeah, I know.
Francesca: I have to be in touch somehow and what I can do is I can either wait to see if they leave a message on my home phone and reply or I can be a little bit more upfront because this is in the paper now and take the step of calling them in the press release would just simply state this is what, I reported this, this is what's been happening, this is happened...
Michelle: don't let anyone know you are thinking of leaving though because then they might rush around and... no I would just... if you want to make a press release, make it...
Francesca: but don't say that I took her away?
Michelle: no.
Francesca: if it comes out that I took her away then that's the whole thing. I feared for her safety and I feared for mine...
Michelle: exactly.
Francesca: blame it on the Herald because of that article.
Michelle: exactly.
Francesca: I'll blame it on the Herald calls I'll say I didn't leave until I found out about that article and I was terrified and you know...
Michelle: everybody knows where you live, and you're getting death threats.
Francesca: so I don't trust, you know, I don't feel safe and nobody's protecting me so
Michelle: exactly.
Francesca: that's what I would do I guess. Maybe you're right, I won't put in the press release but I would have to put something in a press release. And they don't even talk about what their name is.
Michel: no, they don't.
Francesca: and they don't have anything in your system so you can't even give me their names?
Michel: no.
Francesca: what if I called, would the RCMP give it to me? Probably not?
Michelle: probably not. No.
Francesca: you know what I'm going to say? I'm not going to give them any information until they give me the names of those people.
Michelle: it's right there, 772 E. Chezzetcook. Wrote at 8:54 PM. Is that your address?
Francesca: Michelle, I'm running out of money now.
Michelle: okay.
Francesca: so I'm going to let you go, okay? But I just wanted you to know.
Michelle: Yep.
Francesca: and anything, any other thoughts you have, call me in the morning or something, after work.
Michelle: I will.
Francesca: all right. Thank you so much.
Michelle: no problem.
Francesca: okay bye bye.
In case you have doubts..here is another one.
BOB RILEY CALL TO HRM CALL CENTRE
September 16, 2010 -- one hours 11 minutes 35 seconds [1:11:35 AM]
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Michelle: HRM dispatch.
Bob: yes would this be Michelle?
Michelle: it is.
Bob: Michelle?
Michelle: yeah?
Bob: this is Bob Riley.
Michelle: hello.
Bob: do you know me? Or heard of me?
Michelle: I've heard you.
Bob: [laughs]. All right. Anyway Michelle. The reason why I am calling you. Francesca called you yesterday and made a report?
Michelle: yeah.
Bob: I am seeing all kinds of crap on the, on my computer about the Brindi issue.
Michelle: okay.
Bob: has a report, that's what I'm asking you, has as an official report been made to you HRM animal control, I suppose.
Michelle: that I'm not sure because I can't, when I did check the system I didn't see anything. I saw the news report tonight when I came to work.
Bob: yeah.
Michelle: that's the first I've seen that.
Bob: Francesca was talking to you last night, was she not?
Michelle: yes.
Bob: and she made a report?
Michelle: yes she did.
Bob: now I'm backing up that report because I was there, believe me.
Michelle: yeah, I know. And she's going to, according to what I've seen in the newspaper, she's going to need that because this is all, they are going, you know, people are going to go crazy when they see this.
Bob: yeah. Like I say, yeah. It is craziness but...
Michelle: it's stupid, it's crazy because animal services is going to take that one little report that, not the one that we filed last night with Francesca but it says in the newspaper that she went, the people that phoned the other dog must've called RCMP and, I mean, Brindi, according to Francesca there's no marks on the other dog, nothing.
Bob: no.
Michelle: and with Brindi wearing her muzzle. It's publicity and you know...
Bob: there are a few neighbors around where she lives that are vindictive, we'll say, about her, believe me. When we had a get together there at that clubhouse down around the corner from where Francesca lives there, she had the occasion with a couple of other people to go up to the house, I can't remember but there was a woman on the street, don't know who she was because I wasn't there myself but she turned around and made nasty remarks about Brindi. So there are people in the neighborhood who are like I say vindictive against Francesca and this could quite possibly be one of them that was walking that bloody dog down there.
Michelle: that's what I'm thinking too. The problem is people are going to be prejudiced against Brindi unfortunately.
Bob: I told Francesca take that sign down because it's just attracting attention. She's got ‘ BRINDI IS HOME ‘. It's a little sign that she had put up on the front lawn there by the highway. And I said take that sign down.
Michelle: exactly.
Bob: like I say, it's, there's something vindictive there because Brindi was wearing that muzzle and that leash when the other dog came at her. And that's not what you're reading there.
Michelle: actually what was in the newspaper is the only report I have. What's in the newspaper, it didn't mention one way or the other whether Brindi had her leash, her collar on, or muzzle
Bob: I already talked to Francesca. This is the eighth, eighth time that another dog has gone after Brindi and Brindi has always had that muzzle on. And this is the eighth time that another dog has, we'll say attacked Brindi. We'll put it that way, gone after Brindi and well, okay, she can't fight back because she's got the bloody muzzle on. But, you know, but like I say, Brindi is, she's got along with other dogs, you know, with no problem whatsoever. I'm looking at a thing on my computer right now... Just flashed by. We had the get-together there and Brindi was getting along real good with a little dog. This is just unreal like I say. I think this whole article right now is...
Michelle: well the article has her full address in there, for the love of God.
Bob: yeah.
Michelle: and that's not right. They shouldn't be allowed to print people's address.
Bob: like I say, I can't understand why the RCMP are getting, it's mentioned that they're getting involved. Haven't they got anything else to do?
Michelle: well, exactly.
Bob: well, yeah. [Laughs]. This is my opinion, well, a lot of other people would share it. But I haven't, Francesca told me not to do any posting on the CTV about where I was at the time...
Michelle: no, God no. Yea, I know.
Bob: see, if I post anything on that CTV, all I can say, it's just going to generate more crap. [Laughs ]. That's about the size of it.
Michelle: that's true.
Bob: well, I thought Francesca, I don't know exactly where she's going but she's going out of town, we'll put it that way. She was going to call you and talk to you but whether she's, when she's going to I don't know. She knows what time you went to work today.
Michelle: well it's only early too. She could call any time. I'm here until seven.
Bob: yeah. She might be calling you before, yeah before seven but, like I say. That's what I was wondering if anybody had officially called animal, you...
Michelle: they wouldn't, they didn't, no, obviously the way the newspaper report, they went to the police and the police made their own report. Somehow or other it went that way.
Bob: yeah. Is that the proper way? To call the police?
Michelle: it's a bad way. It's not a proper way but it's a way they chose to go.
Bob: yeah, like I say, that, that was unreal, there was no mention, well there was mention that they, I think they took the dog to a veterinarian. Who's going to pay? A vet don't check over a dog and say okay we'll do this for free sort of thing. Vets charge. Who's going to pay?
Michelle: oh it is. It costs at least 65 to a 100 bucks just for a check up.
Bob: yes, yes, I know all about it. I've had dogs and cats and I'm looking at my little JoJo right now. If I take him for a check up, it's going to cost me close to 100 for the checkup. He hasn't had one in the last two or three years. Yes, I know, vets don't do things for free
Michelle: no they don't.
Bob: if they took that dog to a vet, like I say, okay, that's going to be the next step. What are they, who paid for it? There was no mention of that on the Facebook site there. All right Michelle, like I say, I don't know when Michelle, or when Francesca is going to be calling you because she is driving out a long way, believe me. I don't know exactly where. She was here today and she took Brindi with her. She's gone. That's all I can say.
Michelle: I can't say that I blame her at this point.
Bob: no, she wants to get out. Like they say, we'll take it from there. All right Michelle, it was good to talk to you and like I say I just wanted - if no official report has been made to, is it animal control? I see Lori Scalero, her name is mentioned on that.
Michelle: usually is.
Bob: she knows about it.
Michelle: yeah.
Bob: I've got her e-mail address and I've met her before so, like I say, Francesca told me to more or less stay out of it, keep my nose out of it...
Michelle: exactly.
Bob: yeah, I'm liable to say things that might jeopardize whatever.
Michelle: exactly. Yeah.
Bob: yeah. Okay then Michelle. It's good talking to you.
Michelle: yeah, same here.
Bob: I'll talk to you again.
Michelle: okay.
Bob: okay Michelle. Bye-bye.
Michelle: bye.
Bob: oh, Michelle...
Michelle hung up. End of the call.
Continued in call 4
September 16, 2010 -- one hours 11 minutes 35 seconds [1:11:35 AM]
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Michelle: HRM dispatch.
Bob: yes would this be Michelle?
Michelle: it is.
Bob: Michelle?
Michelle: yeah?
Bob: this is Bob Riley.
Michelle: hello.
Bob: do you know me? Or heard of me?
Michelle: I've heard you.
Bob: [laughs]. All right. Anyway Michelle. The reason why I am calling you. Francesca called you yesterday and made a report?
Michelle: yeah.
Bob: I am seeing all kinds of crap on the, on my computer about the Brindi issue.
Michelle: okay.
Bob: has a report, that's what I'm asking you, has as an official report been made to you HRM animal control, I suppose.
Michelle: that I'm not sure because I can't, when I did check the system I didn't see anything. I saw the news report tonight when I came to work.
Bob: yeah.
Michelle: that's the first I've seen that.
Bob: Francesca was talking to you last night, was she not?
Michelle: yes.
Bob: and she made a report?
Michelle: yes she did.
Bob: now I'm backing up that report because I was there, believe me.
Michelle: yeah, I know. And she's going to, according to what I've seen in the newspaper, she's going to need that because this is all, they are going, you know, people are going to go crazy when they see this.
Bob: yeah. Like I say, yeah. It is craziness but...
Michelle: it's stupid, it's crazy because animal services is going to take that one little report that, not the one that we filed last night with Francesca but it says in the newspaper that she went, the people that phoned the other dog must've called RCMP and, I mean, Brindi, according to Francesca there's no marks on the other dog, nothing.
Bob: no.
Michelle: and with Brindi wearing her muzzle. It's publicity and you know...
Bob: there are a few neighbors around where she lives that are vindictive, we'll say, about her, believe me. When we had a get together there at that clubhouse down around the corner from where Francesca lives there, she had the occasion with a couple of other people to go up to the house, I can't remember but there was a woman on the street, don't know who she was because I wasn't there myself but she turned around and made nasty remarks about Brindi. So there are people in the neighborhood who are like I say vindictive against Francesca and this could quite possibly be one of them that was walking that bloody dog down there.
Michelle: that's what I'm thinking too. The problem is people are going to be prejudiced against Brindi unfortunately.
Bob: I told Francesca take that sign down because it's just attracting attention. She's got ‘ BRINDI IS HOME ‘. It's a little sign that she had put up on the front lawn there by the highway. And I said take that sign down.
Michelle: exactly.
Bob: like I say, it's, there's something vindictive there because Brindi was wearing that muzzle and that leash when the other dog came at her. And that's not what you're reading there.
Michelle: actually what was in the newspaper is the only report I have. What's in the newspaper, it didn't mention one way or the other whether Brindi had her leash, her collar on, or muzzle
Bob: I already talked to Francesca. This is the eighth, eighth time that another dog has gone after Brindi and Brindi has always had that muzzle on. And this is the eighth time that another dog has, we'll say attacked Brindi. We'll put it that way, gone after Brindi and well, okay, she can't fight back because she's got the bloody muzzle on. But, you know, but like I say, Brindi is, she's got along with other dogs, you know, with no problem whatsoever. I'm looking at a thing on my computer right now... Just flashed by. We had the get-together there and Brindi was getting along real good with a little dog. This is just unreal like I say. I think this whole article right now is...
Michelle: well the article has her full address in there, for the love of God.
Bob: yeah.
Michelle: and that's not right. They shouldn't be allowed to print people's address.
Bob: like I say, I can't understand why the RCMP are getting, it's mentioned that they're getting involved. Haven't they got anything else to do?
Michelle: well, exactly.
Bob: well, yeah. [Laughs]. This is my opinion, well, a lot of other people would share it. But I haven't, Francesca told me not to do any posting on the CTV about where I was at the time...
Michelle: no, God no. Yea, I know.
Bob: see, if I post anything on that CTV, all I can say, it's just going to generate more crap. [Laughs ]. That's about the size of it.
Michelle: that's true.
Bob: well, I thought Francesca, I don't know exactly where she's going but she's going out of town, we'll put it that way. She was going to call you and talk to you but whether she's, when she's going to I don't know. She knows what time you went to work today.
Michelle: well it's only early too. She could call any time. I'm here until seven.
Bob: yeah. She might be calling you before, yeah before seven but, like I say. That's what I was wondering if anybody had officially called animal, you...
Michelle: they wouldn't, they didn't, no, obviously the way the newspaper report, they went to the police and the police made their own report. Somehow or other it went that way.
Bob: yeah. Is that the proper way? To call the police?
Michelle: it's a bad way. It's not a proper way but it's a way they chose to go.
Bob: yeah, like I say, that, that was unreal, there was no mention, well there was mention that they, I think they took the dog to a veterinarian. Who's going to pay? A vet don't check over a dog and say okay we'll do this for free sort of thing. Vets charge. Who's going to pay?
Michelle: oh it is. It costs at least 65 to a 100 bucks just for a check up.
Bob: yes, yes, I know all about it. I've had dogs and cats and I'm looking at my little JoJo right now. If I take him for a check up, it's going to cost me close to 100 for the checkup. He hasn't had one in the last two or three years. Yes, I know, vets don't do things for free
Michelle: no they don't.
Bob: if they took that dog to a vet, like I say, okay, that's going to be the next step. What are they, who paid for it? There was no mention of that on the Facebook site there. All right Michelle, like I say, I don't know when Michelle, or when Francesca is going to be calling you because she is driving out a long way, believe me. I don't know exactly where. She was here today and she took Brindi with her. She's gone. That's all I can say.
Michelle: I can't say that I blame her at this point.
Bob: no, she wants to get out. Like they say, we'll take it from there. All right Michelle, it was good to talk to you and like I say I just wanted - if no official report has been made to, is it animal control? I see Lori Scalero, her name is mentioned on that.
Michelle: usually is.
Bob: she knows about it.
Michelle: yeah.
Bob: I've got her e-mail address and I've met her before so, like I say, Francesca told me to more or less stay out of it, keep my nose out of it...
Michelle: exactly.
Bob: yeah, I'm liable to say things that might jeopardize whatever.
Michelle: exactly. Yeah.
Bob: yeah. Okay then Michelle. It's good talking to you.
Michelle: yeah, same here.
Bob: I'll talk to you again.
Michelle: okay.
Bob: okay Michelle. Bye-bye.
Michelle: bye.
Bob: oh, Michelle...
Michelle hung up. End of the call.
Continued in call 4
Wednesday, April 20, 2011
HERE IS ANOTHER CALL IS IT A FALSE REPORT...you be the judge?
FRANCESCA / MICHELLE – 2ND CALL – FRANCESCA ROGIER FILING HER REPORT
September 15, 2010 -- one hours 12 minutes 32 seconds
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Michelle: HRM dispatch
Francesca: Michelle?
Michelle: yup.
Francesca: hi, it's Francesca.
Michelle: hi.
Francesca: hi. You didn't get any call, did you?
Michelle: nope
Francesca: okay. All right. I think you're right. I think it's the best thing to make a report. Okay?
Michelle: okay.
Francesca: and... so it would have been at nine o'clock, around, just a little after nine. And here's what happened, okay?
Michelle: yup.
Francesca: I was coming home from grocery shopping after a big long day
Michelle: yup
Francesca: of being out, you know, since like noon or so and I was unloading groceries and my dog, and my dog was leashed and muzzled and these people were walking their dog in front of my house and when my dog came out of the car with me, this dog ran at my dog.
Michelle: Brindi was leashed and muzzled... [Michelle is typing]
Francesca: and it was at my home, right?
Michelle: leashed and muzzled. Okay, I got "coming home after grocery shopping, Brindi was leashed and muzzled..."
Francesca: I was unloading groceries - you know taking her out of the car at the same time and it was dark...
Michelle: okay I got that it was dark.
Francesca: and so I didn't see that there was this couple walking up, they were, you know they were crossing my driveway or walking along the road and they had a dog and their dog ran at my dog, tried to attack her.
Michelle: walking up your driveway, you say?
Francesca: they were walking along the road in front of my driveway, right behind, so they were right at my car when I got out.
Michelle: [typing] beside the car and... their dog attacked Brindi?
Francesca: yeah. – or rushed at her ok
Michelle: okay
Francesca: so I was able to get her to safety and these people took off before I could get their names. But it was a man and a woman and they were probably, you know, they were younger than me. And I never saw them before. I don't recognize the dog or the people. Is that okay to say that?
Michelle: yup. Actually you know I got "coming home after grocery shopping, Brindi was leashed and muzzled, Francesca was unloading groceries and taking Brindi out of the car at the same time. It was dark. There was a couple walking up the road beside the car and their dog attacked Brindi. Owner was able to get Brindi to safety, and..."
Francesca: didn't get the name of the...
Michelle: the couple took off before giving any information.
Francesca: yeah. And, and then we can say also that I had a friend in the car with me but he didn't get out like, he didn't get out right away but he saw everything. And he can back up my story. And he got out afterwards you know like when you they went up the road and I went up the road, after I got Brindi to safety, I tried to go up the road the after them and they were walking away from me so, but he saw that and he saw, you know, everything that happened. So that, that would be it wouldn’t be two against one.
Michelle: that's right. Key witness.
Francesca: and you know what else is that the truth is there have been seven other attacks like this with Brindi you know wearing a muzzle and other dogs, even like little dogs coming right at her to attack her. Barking and fiercely growling and stuff and trying to get at her. And I'd have to pull her away, and get between them and... once it was two dogs in the park behind my house, once it was two dogs on the road in front of their house, and then once it was on Martinique beach, there was a little bulldog. I wrote them down and I even posted them on Facebook. So I guess what I'm saying now is that I didn't report those other things but I've lost it now, I'm really tired of it, I really need to report it now. It's just become too much.
Michelle: do you want to report these other incidences as well?
Francesca: sorry?
Michelle: do you want...
Francesca: I could. Isn't it too late to do that .. or?
Michelle: we'll stick with this one tonight. Make sure this is in the system.
Francesca: okay.
Michelle: and, you know, that way you are reporting it.
Francesca: because these dates, like I said I wrote the dates and they are on a piece of paper in my house now and I don't have it. I could go back on Facebook and try to look, see if I posted actual dates there. I know I did for a couple of them. But it's best that I have all the information with me if you want exact dates.
Michelle: what's your phone number?
Francesca: at home?
Michelle: ummm, any number.
Francesca: take my home number.
Michelle: okay.
Francesca: 827-3716 and I'll give you my cell I guess. But I'm not sure. If I give you my cell, will they try to call me on my cell?
Michelle: I would just stick with the home number.
Francesca: yeah. And so, okay, that's good. So you got it all?
Michelle: this is what I have just to make sure. Coming home after grocery shopping, Brindi was leashed and muzzled. I should put in the car, right?
Francesca: yeah. With me in the car, yeah.. leashed and muzzed
Michelle: leashed in muzzled in the car. Francesca was unloading groceries and taking Brindi out of the car at the same time. It was dark. There was a couple walking up the road...
Francesca: you could say as I took Brindi out of the car like stick to I was unloading groceries, there was a couple walking up the road and as I was taking Brindi out of the car, their dog ran up to attack Brindi.
Michelle: yeah. Attack Brindi. Owner was able to get Brindi to safety and the couple took off before giving any information. Francesca had a friend in the car with her and he saw everything. He got out after the couple took off and he witnessed everything.
Francesca: yeah.
Michelle: don't want to put too much and it.
Michelle: don't put too much in it you know. Keep it short and sweet.
Francesca: that sounds fine. And it was nine, around, just after nine o'clock and it was like you said it was dark.
Michelle: exactly.
Francesca: and Tuesday was what the 14th?
Michelle: uh huh.
Francesca: great and then you might note that the owner talked about other attacks with her dog being in the muzzle or something or not? Do you think we should just leave that?
Michelle: just leave this for now to what I have. It's already in the system and this way it's not, you know, there's no information on this couple because they didn't give you any. I mean...
Francesca: can you say that I called you, when was it, did I first ring you, at 10 something? 11?
Michelle: that's not in the system.
Francesca: so okay because I am reporting it at 1:00 AM now so...
Michelle: yeah I've got it as an ???
Francesca: I'm just wondering if it would look better if it was earlier when I first called you, but it doesn't matter?
Michelle: I can't put that in the system.
Francesca: you can't change the time . . no?
Michelle: now it comes automatic whenever I put it in the system.
Francesca: okay.
Michelle: but that's fine. It doesn't matter when you report it. It's just an MLAS [??]
Francesca: okay
Michelle: I don't even have to call animal control tonight with it.
Francesca: so what I'm thinking is if like if she reports it and they want to investigate and they try to come to my house, they'll leave a note if I'm not there right? They'll leave a thing?
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: and then so I'll check or I'll have somebody check, I need to pick up something tomorrow from my house for this immigration thing and I go get that without Brindi being seen and then I'll, if it's not there, if there's nothing there then I'll check it again or I'll have a friend check it in the evening and the next day. I'm just thinking like I'll give it what 48 hours?
Michelle: let me see what the system says.
Francesca: are they going to want to, on this anonymous, on this thing where I don't know their names, are they going to want to come back and investigate just me?
Michelle: they may just call you and talk to you about it. Where it's you, I mean it’s just a note, a thing that's in the system to call you, talk to you about it. Where it's you, things might be a bit different, but it shouldn't be.
Francesca: I'm just wondering if they'll actually want to come and talk with me in person or if they'll suffice to be on the phone.
Michelle: they might, they might. The priority is three business days. So it’s not even half priority.
Francesca: so should I wait three business days before I go home?
Michelle: I'm not sure. It does say here priority is three business days.
Francesca: what does priority mean here?
Michelle: it just means they have three business days to respond.
Francesca: who does?
Michelle: animal services or...
Francesca: oh I see.
Michelle: yeah they have three business days to respond to this call.
Francesca: because I'm just thinking I would stay clear, you know what, see here's the thing, legally in terms of the emergency situation, if her report goes in, they have no reason to come and seize Brindi but there is no law that says they can do it either. They would have to pursue it through the courts the way they're doing it now like they would have to just charge me with something and then go get a judge to try to at the end of the, if there was the guilty verdict then try to get the judge to issue an order to kill her after a guilty. It can only be if there is a guilty verdict.
Michelle: but this is not Brindi attacking someone, this is someone attacking another dog.
Francesca: but let's say I didn't do this or so like I'm just thinking if she, yeah but if they don't believe met and they go and they believe her or something. But the thing is like they don't follow the law anyway.
Michelle: no we know that.
Francesca: and that's why, I was just talking to my friend Lisa. She says no, you just can't because the first time around they weren't really following the law in terms of the end then they don't follow the law in terms of all these other dogs. They would all have to be deemed dangerous if there was any guilty verdict that said they were guilty of an attack. They would have to label that dog dangerous and charge them 100 bucks for registration and then they could they should be trying to put them down by all rights but they don't. So they're very arbitrary and they just decided to do this to me and you know we know dogs that have killed cats, we know dogs that have been you know causing serious injuries and they were not trying to put them down. So like that's the point. They could still try to get her and probably get a justice of the peace to sign a warrant just because it's Brindi anyway even though it's not really in the law so I really can't take a chance. And that's what I'm trying to figure out. Do I try to go somewhere tomorrow night, somewhere the next night or do I just you know... three days you're saying, three days.
Michelle: three business days to respond, yeah.
Francesca: what is that so if they don't respond within three business days, does that mean you won't hear from them?
Michelle: it's possible. Yeah.
Francesca: see because they came four days after they heard the report from the other guy when they seized Brindi. Four days. I think was even the, no it was four full days. After he reported it.
Michelle: yea it's supposed to be three.
Francesca: oh, I wish I had known that because that doesn't invalidate and that's not in the law anywhere is it?
Michelle: it should be. Well it's in the system. I don't think it's the law law. They could be busy or it may take them longer to respond.
Michelle: but it's still full three business days is usually. Probably you'll hear tomorrow or the next day at the longest.
Francesca: and what if they don't though? It doesn't mean they can't ever investigate? They still have six months or something right?
Michelle: ah it's usually if they will, they will or they won't. It all depends on how busy they are.
Francesca: how often do they not bother investigating?
Michelle: I've had a complaint about my dog barking and it took them a week to respond. I mean you know it's...
Francesca: but they always investigate, don't they?
Michelle: they usually do, yeah. Most they will do is give you a call. With mine, animal services, the guy there are gave me a call, talked about the dogs and that was it. The second time that my landlord complained, same thing.
Francesca: your landlord did this?
Michelle: well yeah. My best friend's son was coming in and out, coming in and out and basically I called the cops on him. Not my friend's kids but... he's not a landlord. He's a rental agent there for our building. He's creepy.
Francesca: did you call the cops first or did they do it?
Michelle: well what happened was he called and he lied. And I got home from work, went to bed. I was doing night shift until five o'clock on a Sunday when I got my first report on my dogs barking. So I went to my best friend because at the time he said they were barking I was at work. So I didn't know what was going on. So I brought in [name?] And she said that's a lie. She said my son was in taking care of the dogs and they had the dog's leashed and out for a walk at the very time that he said that they were barking. So long story short he tried to lie about it and basically admitted that he was creeping around the apartment listening for my dogs to bark.
Francesca: he admitted it?
Michelle: yeah he did. He said well, he said they've been pretty quiet the past couple days when I've been walking up and down the hallway. That was enough for me to call the cops on him. And I told that to Brad from animal services and he...
Francesca: Brad Kelly?
Michelle: yes. Yes in fact I'm glad I had him.
Francesca: he is still there?
Michelle: yes.
Francesca: according to Tim Hamm when I ran into him in July he said Brad was ready to quit. That was the other two. Doug was ready to quit and -- -- inaudible [14:14] -- -- was ready to quit. But did they hire three more people?
Michelle: no, well, Leah
Francesca: he said they hired two or three more people.
Michelle: we have Leah. No, all the same people are there. Just may have one difference. Leah. Christine. Brad.
Francesca: who is Christine?
Michelle: Fox. She has been there for a couple years now. Doug is still there.
Francesca: and that other guy, the young guy.
Michelle: -- -- inaudible, both talking at the same time [14:32]. She's been there since I've been here. Yeah well I can tell Leah... actually she is friends with Anise.
Francesca: who is Denise?
Michelle: Anise. They're my friend there. I think you met Anise. She’s friends with Anise. Brad and never had any issues with. Kim I don't like her at all. Leah, not really too many issues with Leah. – they’ve been good so far but I don't, we don't have to call him too much anymore.
Francesca: that's good. Oh you know I have to tell you what I heard from Tim.
Michelle: oh yeah.
Francesca: well there's a whole long thing but what I'll tell you tonight is because I don't want to keep you and I don't want to be up too late. He says that when the SPCA was doing the pound, and people, they would pick up strays, and then people were supposed to pay 160 bucks to get their dogs back. Well, if they didn't have the money or they couldn't get the money, the SPCA according to him, I don't know if I buy it, but he said the SPCA would try to work something out with them.
Michelle: right.
Francesca: but the, the reason I'm not sure about that or I don't think they always did it that way was because I was there once when some people try to pick up their dog and it was really hard. And they were freaking out about the money and nobody at the SPCA offered anything to them. But anyway he says that at that time they worked something out but since this Hope Swiminer thing is doing it now and she's letting them push her all around with these things that she doesn't care because she's getting $600,000 a year now. He says that they just take possession of the dog and they either try to adopt them or put them down. He claimed to me that they put down a couple already and that was in July. That would be outrageous.
Michelle: nothing would surprise me. I'll put it that way.
Francesca: and he says that that's Lori Scalero. And he would really like to see Lori and Andrea both, I hope this isn't being recorded.
Michelle: no.
Francesca: Okay, he would like to see both of them lose their job. And I said how can I help you. But he told me he would give me some e-mails and stuff like that that he would get to me and I said, well if you don't want to bring it I can have somebody get it from you. And I have Bob try to call him and his wife answered and Bob said he was supposed to give some information to Francesca which he shouldn't have said and she got all upset and she was saying what he doesn't have anything to do with that anymore and he's not involved anymore, blah blah blah.
Michelle: okay, yeah.
Francesca: he does have, what happened, he filed a complaint against the two of them last November. Did you know that?
Michelle: no I didn't.
Francesca: okay well he filed something because he was according to him okay because you know he edits out his whole thing. He said they were making him, he claims that the reason he showed up on the pickup for Brindi instead of Brad when they first assigned Brad was because they made him do the seizures because he was once a cop.
Michelle: oh, okay.
Francesca: and he couldn’t handle warrants or something so he was getting tired of that and he claims that they were not treating him right. And you know a little bit more about the dynamics they are back and forth but that he was getting fed up. So he filed a complaint. After he filed it of course things were really tense. I wish I had known that because that was November in our trial came up after that. You know we were in court in January, let's see we were in court in late November and then in January nobody ever let me know that he had filed this complaint. It would have been very handy to know on the stand. If I had known on the stand, you know, to ask him on the stand, are you, you know, currently filing anything against your bosses and why, I could have opened the whole thing.
Michelle: I know.
Francesca: I wish to hell he had told me. So what he does is like, he so selfish right he, it's really tense, tense, tense
Francesca: tense all the way through the summer and everything ends up with Brindi, blah blah and so then in June he, I swear he did it on purpose, Bob sends him, Bob's son went to school with him. High school with Tim. So they kind of figured that out somewhere through along the line. So Bob sent him a note in the end of May and said Francesca's going to be in the news such and such a time or whatever. But you might want to know. Because I was going to go back and complain that for a whole month HRM hadn't cooperated in getting the training done or anything. So he gets a reply from Tim completely unrelated, right? And says I was never in favor of what they did, I don't know why it became so adversarial, I do not support Andrea McDonald and Lori Scalero. He actually spelled that out.
Michelle: oh really?
Francesca: yeah and I was so astounded and I said come on. I'm looking at it with Bob. Bob sends it to me. I said Bob, can I put this on my blog? And he was, you know, going back and forth. And I said listen Bob, he either is already fired or he wants to be fired or something. He knows you are going to show it to me.
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: and now that you've sent it to me he is, he would have to be an idiot not to know that I wouldn't publish it on my blog. You know? He would have to be stupid. So I put it up there. I didn't write anything else about it. I just said, all I said I don't know what to make of this. I just put it verbatim on there. Joan Sinden trashed me for doing this because he got fired the next day. What Joan Sinden doesn't realize is that he really wanted to be fired because he got unemployment instead of quitting, right?
Michelle: exactly.
Francesca: and then he was so, he was turning, he turned everything to the, he ran into me a month later in the Access Nova Scotia Place where I was getting my license, my sticker and he was there for jobs or something. And he came up to me, he found, the place was packed, right, he sought me out and came up to me smiling and starts telling me stuff and I said, wait a minute, let's go outside. And he told me all this stuff outside. And then that's, she has everything ass backwards, you know. She should be fired for the SPCA because they weren't going to feed Brindi anymore?
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: so anyway he was he saying to me I'll find something. I said are you mad at me because you got fired and he said oh no and he was smiling. You had to know I was going to publish it right? Well I figured Bob would give it to you, but he wouldn't say. He wouldn't admit that you know that he had to know that. But he would have to. The way he wrote it was like he wanted everybody to know it. You know so they were only too happy to fire him. He was on unemployment and I hear now he has a job. I don't know what it is but I hear he's got a job. I guess because his wife told Bob that he had a job. So, but anyway he's the one that told me that stuff and I said listen if I get this lawsuit together, I'm going to get you up there and were going to, you know, do this.
Michelle: exactly.
Francesca: but if he would have given me whatever, he said he had some stuff on e-mails with, not related to me and Brindi, but this other stuff and he said if he would give it to me then they would definitely get fired and if I publicized it and I was only too happy to do it but he didn't do it.
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: so that's what I know. Basically.
Michelle: wow.
Francesca: and some loose other stuff and that's when he told me that Brad and Leah supposedly and Doug were ready to quit were almost ready to quit. Oh I know what he told me also. He says that after April 30 when the decision came finally that they delayed so long about Brindi coming home and having to have training and blah blah blah he says that after then Jackie Barkhouse, one of the HRM counselors and the vet that used to work for the SPCA went to the mayor to tell him he that he's got to do something about the situation and that it was awful what they did to Brindi and they wanted to clean up animal control and they went to well they wanted to go to the mayor but Jackie Barkhouse went to all the people in animal control, all the officers and asked them to speak to the mayor and the mayor even guaranteed them that they wouldn't lose their jobs.
Michelle: really.
Francesca: really and this is according to Tim, because Tim also says okay, none of them did it, none of them would do it but Jackie Barkhouse and Dr. Steel did meet with the mayor. And then right after that HRM went digging into Jackie Barkhouse’s HRM e-mail account, found something and they used it against her to shut her up.
Michelle: wow.
Francesca: because you know he said that Andrea McDonald and Lori Scalero have a friend who's like second in command of the police and they have another friend who's second in the mayor's office.
Michelle: wow.
Francesca: and I know the name, he told me the name of the guy that was in the, the police guy and Susan Jordan, my trainer says she used to play tennis with him and he's a total chauvinist. And he's a total jerk. So they were protected by these people up there, right? Isn't that sick? It's sick. So that's the thing. So anyway he said though that he got five of those officers, when he filed his complaint in November, five of them wrote letters on his behalf. And that Jackie Barkhouse had them and that all the summer long I was thinking I've got to go get them from Jackie. Now that I know that they exist though I can subpoena them I guess.
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: I can subpoena them. But so that's just killer. You know because I asked him to you have any copies of those letters, can I get copies of those letters. Any he claimed he turned everything over to the union now that he's no longer working there and that they were going to pursue the complaint. And that he wanted to wash his hands of it and walk away but he did want to see them get fired.
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: now I don't know how much of this is truth or not.
Michelle: that's the problem. Figuring out what is truth or not.
Francesca: so but you never heard anything about this, huh?
Michelle: oh we don't hear anything anymore where we're at now. That's the point.
Francesca: I wonder, I'd love to see with those letters say.
Michelle: I know.
Francesca: so they must've seen them, Andrea must've seen them. You know. I'm sickened that Lori Scalero has gone on unimpeded. You know?
Michelle: I know.
Francesca: I really, that makes me so sick.
Michelle: oh I know. Me too but what can you do? That's the point?
Francesca: got to get something on her. We just do it, you know?
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: not be -- -- inaudible [25:00] -- -- anyway, all right. So that report is filed.
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: they'll get it tomorrow, they'll try to either call me or come there...
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: you know, We saw, I was at the point Pleasant Park about a week ago, it was about a week ago today actually and we saw the animal control truck pull up, the guy sat there for over an hour and watched dog after dog come through there without a leash on and without anything on into the park, like from the parking lot into the park. Out of like a dozen he stopped one woman and gave her a warning.
Michelle: yeah. Wow. That's it?
Francesca: yeah. And I was thinking we should call that, I was thinking we should report that, I could do it now but you can't change the time. I might do it now, what the heck because it would have been, let me think now. I do believe it was the day after Labor Day, that was a Tuesday and it was, I can tell you exactly the time because we met with Susan, we were supposed to meet her at 11:00 so it would have been, she was a little late so it was like 11:20 the truck pulled up and we were there for like an hour and 15 minutes. The truck left about five minutes before we did. My friend Linda had a very close view of him because she stayed in the parking lot and we were just a little bit into the park. But I saw from that side and she saw from the other side. Just all these dogs walking in there with their owners and they weren't, I mean there's an off leash section but you have to get to it through the park.
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: right? So that, whoever that person was on duty there just let all these dogs through and I think that's outrageous. And I've heard this happens a lot. And other things like that. So I don't know where that would go but I would like to report that.
Michelle: and they didn't do a thing.
Francesca: they didn't do a thing. Shall I call up animal control? They won't let go anywhere if I complain.
Michelle: not sure. You'd have to call up and do it anonymously.
Francesca: anonymously or give a different name?
Michelle: you don't have to give your name. No you don't.
Francesca: do they actually, the police won't do anything unless you give your name. If you call the police like there's noise or something, you have to give your name or they won't act on anything.
Michelle: oh I didn't know that.
Francesca: yeah
Michelle: I know here were not forced to take names.
Francesca: geez . So if you report like somebody's house like somebody you know they were trying to get my electricity cut off and trying to report me for violations of unsightly premises and all this stuff, they don't have to give their names?
Michelle: no.
Francesca: oh my Lord.
Michelle: no.
Francesca: well that's nice because I have some neighbors I might do that to. I do have unsightly premises there.
Michelle: that's true.
Francesca: shit.
Michelle: I know.
Francesca: that's outrageous.
Michelle: I know.
Francesca: all right that's good to know.
Michelle: yup.
Francesca: all right well have a good night.
Michelle: you too.
Francesca: and we'll see what happens. I think this was a good, thank you for suggesting to me this so...
Michelle: no problem.
Francesca: oh man.
Michelle: and I will check the system tomorrow night. I'll be on the rest of the week if you need anything.
Francesca: oh yes so you'll be there tomorrow? Okay. I'll call you tomorrow night at least if I don't hear from them tomorrow. Brilliant. I just think that if this lady, if she's going to report it at all, she's going to report it tomorrow.
Michelle: oh yeah.
Francesca: not the day after.
Michelle: but yours is already in the system so yours is above her anyways so
Francesca: so I'll call, I'll call you tomorrow night.
Michelle: yup.
Francesca: okay.
Michelle: yup. I'll be on.
Francesca: at midnight?
Michelle: yup. Well 11:30 or so. Between 11:00, I should be on.
Francesca: all right.
Michelle: yup.
Francesca: 11-ish. All right. Oh that's a good thing cause I can know to see if she's reported it.
Michelle: exactly.
Francesca: Oh perfect. Oh God bless you.
Michelle: no problem.
Francesca: really seriously. All right Michelle, I'll talk to you soon.
Michelle: okay.
Francesca: thanks. Good night.
Michelle: goodnight.
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Michelle: HRM dispatch
Francesca: Michelle?
Michelle: yup.
Francesca: hi, it's Francesca.
Michelle: hi.
Francesca: hi. You didn't get any call, did you?
Michelle: nope
Francesca: okay. All right. I think you're right. I think it's the best thing to make a report. Okay?
Michelle: okay.
Francesca: and... so it would have been at nine o'clock, around, just a little after nine. And here's what happened, okay?
Michelle: yup.
Francesca: I was coming home from grocery shopping after a big long day
Michelle: yup
Francesca: of being out, you know, since like noon or so and I was unloading groceries and my dog, and my dog was leashed and muzzled and these people were walking their dog in front of my house and when my dog came out of the car with me, this dog ran at my dog.
Michelle: Brindi was leashed and muzzled... [Michelle is typing]
Francesca: and it was at my home, right?
Michelle: leashed and muzzled. Okay, I got "coming home after grocery shopping, Brindi was leashed and muzzled..."
Francesca: I was unloading groceries - you know taking her out of the car at the same time and it was dark...
Michelle: okay I got that it was dark.
Francesca: and so I didn't see that there was this couple walking up, they were, you know they were crossing my driveway or walking along the road and they had a dog and their dog ran at my dog, tried to attack her.
Michelle: walking up your driveway, you say?
Francesca: they were walking along the road in front of my driveway, right behind, so they were right at my car when I got out.
Michelle: [typing] beside the car and... their dog attacked Brindi?
Francesca: yeah. – or rushed at her ok
Michelle: okay
Francesca: so I was able to get her to safety and these people took off before I could get their names. But it was a man and a woman and they were probably, you know, they were younger than me. And I never saw them before. I don't recognize the dog or the people. Is that okay to say that?
Michelle: yup. Actually you know I got "coming home after grocery shopping, Brindi was leashed and muzzled, Francesca was unloading groceries and taking Brindi out of the car at the same time. It was dark. There was a couple walking up the road beside the car and their dog attacked Brindi. Owner was able to get Brindi to safety, and..."
Francesca: didn't get the name of the...
Michelle: the couple took off before giving any information.
Francesca: yeah. And, and then we can say also that I had a friend in the car with me but he didn't get out like, he didn't get out right away but he saw everything. And he can back up my story. And he got out afterwards you know like when you they went up the road and I went up the road, after I got Brindi to safety, I tried to go up the road the after them and they were walking away from me so, but he saw that and he saw, you know, everything that happened. So that, that would be it wouldn’t be two against one.
Michelle: that's right. Key witness.
Francesca: and you know what else is that the truth is there have been seven other attacks like this with Brindi you know wearing a muzzle and other dogs, even like little dogs coming right at her to attack her. Barking and fiercely growling and stuff and trying to get at her. And I'd have to pull her away, and get between them and... once it was two dogs in the park behind my house, once it was two dogs on the road in front of their house, and then once it was on Martinique beach, there was a little bulldog. I wrote them down and I even posted them on Facebook. So I guess what I'm saying now is that I didn't report those other things but I've lost it now, I'm really tired of it, I really need to report it now. It's just become too much.
Michelle: do you want to report these other incidences as well?
Francesca: sorry?
Michelle: do you want...
Francesca: I could. Isn't it too late to do that .. or?
Michelle: we'll stick with this one tonight. Make sure this is in the system.
Francesca: okay.
Michelle: and, you know, that way you are reporting it.
Francesca: because these dates, like I said I wrote the dates and they are on a piece of paper in my house now and I don't have it. I could go back on Facebook and try to look, see if I posted actual dates there. I know I did for a couple of them. But it's best that I have all the information with me if you want exact dates.
Michelle: what's your phone number?
Francesca: at home?
Michelle: ummm, any number.
Francesca: take my home number.
Michelle: okay.
Francesca: 827-3716 and I'll give you my cell I guess. But I'm not sure. If I give you my cell, will they try to call me on my cell?
Michelle: I would just stick with the home number.
Francesca: yeah. And so, okay, that's good. So you got it all?
Michelle: this is what I have just to make sure. Coming home after grocery shopping, Brindi was leashed and muzzled. I should put in the car, right?
Francesca: yeah. With me in the car, yeah.. leashed and muzzed
Michelle: leashed in muzzled in the car. Francesca was unloading groceries and taking Brindi out of the car at the same time. It was dark. There was a couple walking up the road...
Francesca: you could say as I took Brindi out of the car like stick to I was unloading groceries, there was a couple walking up the road and as I was taking Brindi out of the car, their dog ran up to attack Brindi.
Michelle: yeah. Attack Brindi. Owner was able to get Brindi to safety and the couple took off before giving any information. Francesca had a friend in the car with her and he saw everything. He got out after the couple took off and he witnessed everything.
Francesca: yeah.
Michelle: don't want to put too much and it.
Michelle: don't put too much in it you know. Keep it short and sweet.
Francesca: that sounds fine. And it was nine, around, just after nine o'clock and it was like you said it was dark.
Michelle: exactly.
Francesca: and Tuesday was what the 14th?
Michelle: uh huh.
Francesca: great and then you might note that the owner talked about other attacks with her dog being in the muzzle or something or not? Do you think we should just leave that?
Michelle: just leave this for now to what I have. It's already in the system and this way it's not, you know, there's no information on this couple because they didn't give you any. I mean...
Francesca: can you say that I called you, when was it, did I first ring you, at 10 something? 11?
Michelle: that's not in the system.
Francesca: so okay because I am reporting it at 1:00 AM now so...
Michelle: yeah I've got it as an ???
Francesca: I'm just wondering if it would look better if it was earlier when I first called you, but it doesn't matter?
Michelle: I can't put that in the system.
Francesca: you can't change the time . . no?
Michelle: now it comes automatic whenever I put it in the system.
Francesca: okay.
Michelle: but that's fine. It doesn't matter when you report it. It's just an MLAS [??]
Francesca: okay
Michelle: I don't even have to call animal control tonight with it.
Francesca: so what I'm thinking is if like if she reports it and they want to investigate and they try to come to my house, they'll leave a note if I'm not there right? They'll leave a thing?
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: and then so I'll check or I'll have somebody check, I need to pick up something tomorrow from my house for this immigration thing and I go get that without Brindi being seen and then I'll, if it's not there, if there's nothing there then I'll check it again or I'll have a friend check it in the evening and the next day. I'm just thinking like I'll give it what 48 hours?
Michelle: let me see what the system says.
Francesca: are they going to want to, on this anonymous, on this thing where I don't know their names, are they going to want to come back and investigate just me?
Michelle: they may just call you and talk to you about it. Where it's you, I mean it’s just a note, a thing that's in the system to call you, talk to you about it. Where it's you, things might be a bit different, but it shouldn't be.
Francesca: I'm just wondering if they'll actually want to come and talk with me in person or if they'll suffice to be on the phone.
Michelle: they might, they might. The priority is three business days. So it’s not even half priority.
Francesca: so should I wait three business days before I go home?
Michelle: I'm not sure. It does say here priority is three business days.
Francesca: what does priority mean here?
Michelle: it just means they have three business days to respond.
Francesca: who does?
Michelle: animal services or...
Francesca: oh I see.
Michelle: yeah they have three business days to respond to this call.
Francesca: because I'm just thinking I would stay clear, you know what, see here's the thing, legally in terms of the emergency situation, if her report goes in, they have no reason to come and seize Brindi but there is no law that says they can do it either. They would have to pursue it through the courts the way they're doing it now like they would have to just charge me with something and then go get a judge to try to at the end of the, if there was the guilty verdict then try to get the judge to issue an order to kill her after a guilty. It can only be if there is a guilty verdict.
Michelle: but this is not Brindi attacking someone, this is someone attacking another dog.
Francesca: but let's say I didn't do this or so like I'm just thinking if she, yeah but if they don't believe met and they go and they believe her or something. But the thing is like they don't follow the law anyway.
Michelle: no we know that.
Francesca: and that's why, I was just talking to my friend Lisa. She says no, you just can't because the first time around they weren't really following the law in terms of the end then they don't follow the law in terms of all these other dogs. They would all have to be deemed dangerous if there was any guilty verdict that said they were guilty of an attack. They would have to label that dog dangerous and charge them 100 bucks for registration and then they could they should be trying to put them down by all rights but they don't. So they're very arbitrary and they just decided to do this to me and you know we know dogs that have killed cats, we know dogs that have been you know causing serious injuries and they were not trying to put them down. So like that's the point. They could still try to get her and probably get a justice of the peace to sign a warrant just because it's Brindi anyway even though it's not really in the law so I really can't take a chance. And that's what I'm trying to figure out. Do I try to go somewhere tomorrow night, somewhere the next night or do I just you know... three days you're saying, three days.
Michelle: three business days to respond, yeah.
Francesca: what is that so if they don't respond within three business days, does that mean you won't hear from them?
Michelle: it's possible. Yeah.
Francesca: see because they came four days after they heard the report from the other guy when they seized Brindi. Four days. I think was even the, no it was four full days. After he reported it.
Michelle: yea it's supposed to be three.
Francesca: oh, I wish I had known that because that doesn't invalidate and that's not in the law anywhere is it?
Michelle: it should be. Well it's in the system. I don't think it's the law law. They could be busy or it may take them longer to respond.
Michelle: but it's still full three business days is usually. Probably you'll hear tomorrow or the next day at the longest.
Francesca: and what if they don't though? It doesn't mean they can't ever investigate? They still have six months or something right?
Michelle: ah it's usually if they will, they will or they won't. It all depends on how busy they are.
Francesca: how often do they not bother investigating?
Michelle: I've had a complaint about my dog barking and it took them a week to respond. I mean you know it's...
Francesca: but they always investigate, don't they?
Michelle: they usually do, yeah. Most they will do is give you a call. With mine, animal services, the guy there are gave me a call, talked about the dogs and that was it. The second time that my landlord complained, same thing.
Francesca: your landlord did this?
Michelle: well yeah. My best friend's son was coming in and out, coming in and out and basically I called the cops on him. Not my friend's kids but... he's not a landlord. He's a rental agent there for our building. He's creepy.
Francesca: did you call the cops first or did they do it?
Michelle: well what happened was he called and he lied. And I got home from work, went to bed. I was doing night shift until five o'clock on a Sunday when I got my first report on my dogs barking. So I went to my best friend because at the time he said they were barking I was at work. So I didn't know what was going on. So I brought in [name?] And she said that's a lie. She said my son was in taking care of the dogs and they had the dog's leashed and out for a walk at the very time that he said that they were barking. So long story short he tried to lie about it and basically admitted that he was creeping around the apartment listening for my dogs to bark.
Francesca: he admitted it?
Michelle: yeah he did. He said well, he said they've been pretty quiet the past couple days when I've been walking up and down the hallway. That was enough for me to call the cops on him. And I told that to Brad from animal services and he...
Francesca: Brad Kelly?
Michelle: yes. Yes in fact I'm glad I had him.
Francesca: he is still there?
Michelle: yes.
Francesca: according to Tim Hamm when I ran into him in July he said Brad was ready to quit. That was the other two. Doug was ready to quit and -- -- inaudible [14:14] -- -- was ready to quit. But did they hire three more people?
Michelle: no, well, Leah
Francesca: he said they hired two or three more people.
Michelle: we have Leah. No, all the same people are there. Just may have one difference. Leah. Christine. Brad.
Francesca: who is Christine?
Michelle: Fox. She has been there for a couple years now. Doug is still there.
Francesca: and that other guy, the young guy.
Michelle: -- -- inaudible, both talking at the same time [14:32]. She's been there since I've been here. Yeah well I can tell Leah... actually she is friends with Anise.
Francesca: who is Denise?
Michelle: Anise. They're my friend there. I think you met Anise. She’s friends with Anise. Brad and never had any issues with. Kim I don't like her at all. Leah, not really too many issues with Leah. – they’ve been good so far but I don't, we don't have to call him too much anymore.
Francesca: that's good. Oh you know I have to tell you what I heard from Tim.
Michelle: oh yeah.
Francesca: well there's a whole long thing but what I'll tell you tonight is because I don't want to keep you and I don't want to be up too late. He says that when the SPCA was doing the pound, and people, they would pick up strays, and then people were supposed to pay 160 bucks to get their dogs back. Well, if they didn't have the money or they couldn't get the money, the SPCA according to him, I don't know if I buy it, but he said the SPCA would try to work something out with them.
Michelle: right.
Francesca: but the, the reason I'm not sure about that or I don't think they always did it that way was because I was there once when some people try to pick up their dog and it was really hard. And they were freaking out about the money and nobody at the SPCA offered anything to them. But anyway he says that at that time they worked something out but since this Hope Swiminer thing is doing it now and she's letting them push her all around with these things that she doesn't care because she's getting $600,000 a year now. He says that they just take possession of the dog and they either try to adopt them or put them down. He claimed to me that they put down a couple already and that was in July. That would be outrageous.
Michelle: nothing would surprise me. I'll put it that way.
Francesca: and he says that that's Lori Scalero. And he would really like to see Lori and Andrea both, I hope this isn't being recorded.
Michelle: no.
Francesca: Okay, he would like to see both of them lose their job. And I said how can I help you. But he told me he would give me some e-mails and stuff like that that he would get to me and I said, well if you don't want to bring it I can have somebody get it from you. And I have Bob try to call him and his wife answered and Bob said he was supposed to give some information to Francesca which he shouldn't have said and she got all upset and she was saying what he doesn't have anything to do with that anymore and he's not involved anymore, blah blah blah.
Michelle: okay, yeah.
Francesca: he does have, what happened, he filed a complaint against the two of them last November. Did you know that?
Michelle: no I didn't.
Francesca: okay well he filed something because he was according to him okay because you know he edits out his whole thing. He said they were making him, he claims that the reason he showed up on the pickup for Brindi instead of Brad when they first assigned Brad was because they made him do the seizures because he was once a cop.
Michelle: oh, okay.
Francesca: and he couldn’t handle warrants or something so he was getting tired of that and he claims that they were not treating him right. And you know a little bit more about the dynamics they are back and forth but that he was getting fed up. So he filed a complaint. After he filed it of course things were really tense. I wish I had known that because that was November in our trial came up after that. You know we were in court in January, let's see we were in court in late November and then in January nobody ever let me know that he had filed this complaint. It would have been very handy to know on the stand. If I had known on the stand, you know, to ask him on the stand, are you, you know, currently filing anything against your bosses and why, I could have opened the whole thing.
Michelle: I know.
Francesca: I wish to hell he had told me. So what he does is like, he so selfish right he, it's really tense, tense, tense
Francesca: tense all the way through the summer and everything ends up with Brindi, blah blah and so then in June he, I swear he did it on purpose, Bob sends him, Bob's son went to school with him. High school with Tim. So they kind of figured that out somewhere through along the line. So Bob sent him a note in the end of May and said Francesca's going to be in the news such and such a time or whatever. But you might want to know. Because I was going to go back and complain that for a whole month HRM hadn't cooperated in getting the training done or anything. So he gets a reply from Tim completely unrelated, right? And says I was never in favor of what they did, I don't know why it became so adversarial, I do not support Andrea McDonald and Lori Scalero. He actually spelled that out.
Michelle: oh really?
Francesca: yeah and I was so astounded and I said come on. I'm looking at it with Bob. Bob sends it to me. I said Bob, can I put this on my blog? And he was, you know, going back and forth. And I said listen Bob, he either is already fired or he wants to be fired or something. He knows you are going to show it to me.
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: and now that you've sent it to me he is, he would have to be an idiot not to know that I wouldn't publish it on my blog. You know? He would have to be stupid. So I put it up there. I didn't write anything else about it. I just said, all I said I don't know what to make of this. I just put it verbatim on there. Joan Sinden trashed me for doing this because he got fired the next day. What Joan Sinden doesn't realize is that he really wanted to be fired because he got unemployment instead of quitting, right?
Michelle: exactly.
Francesca: and then he was so, he was turning, he turned everything to the, he ran into me a month later in the Access Nova Scotia Place where I was getting my license, my sticker and he was there for jobs or something. And he came up to me, he found, the place was packed, right, he sought me out and came up to me smiling and starts telling me stuff and I said, wait a minute, let's go outside. And he told me all this stuff outside. And then that's, she has everything ass backwards, you know. She should be fired for the SPCA because they weren't going to feed Brindi anymore?
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: so anyway he was he saying to me I'll find something. I said are you mad at me because you got fired and he said oh no and he was smiling. You had to know I was going to publish it right? Well I figured Bob would give it to you, but he wouldn't say. He wouldn't admit that you know that he had to know that. But he would have to. The way he wrote it was like he wanted everybody to know it. You know so they were only too happy to fire him. He was on unemployment and I hear now he has a job. I don't know what it is but I hear he's got a job. I guess because his wife told Bob that he had a job. So, but anyway he's the one that told me that stuff and I said listen if I get this lawsuit together, I'm going to get you up there and were going to, you know, do this.
Michelle: exactly.
Francesca: but if he would have given me whatever, he said he had some stuff on e-mails with, not related to me and Brindi, but this other stuff and he said if he would give it to me then they would definitely get fired and if I publicized it and I was only too happy to do it but he didn't do it.
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: so that's what I know. Basically.
Michelle: wow.
Francesca: and some loose other stuff and that's when he told me that Brad and Leah supposedly and Doug were ready to quit were almost ready to quit. Oh I know what he told me also. He says that after April 30 when the decision came finally that they delayed so long about Brindi coming home and having to have training and blah blah blah he says that after then Jackie Barkhouse, one of the HRM counselors and the vet that used to work for the SPCA went to the mayor to tell him he that he's got to do something about the situation and that it was awful what they did to Brindi and they wanted to clean up animal control and they went to well they wanted to go to the mayor but Jackie Barkhouse went to all the people in animal control, all the officers and asked them to speak to the mayor and the mayor even guaranteed them that they wouldn't lose their jobs.
Michelle: really.
Francesca: really and this is according to Tim, because Tim also says okay, none of them did it, none of them would do it but Jackie Barkhouse and Dr. Steel did meet with the mayor. And then right after that HRM went digging into Jackie Barkhouse’s HRM e-mail account, found something and they used it against her to shut her up.
Michelle: wow.
Francesca: because you know he said that Andrea McDonald and Lori Scalero have a friend who's like second in command of the police and they have another friend who's second in the mayor's office.
Michelle: wow.
Francesca: and I know the name, he told me the name of the guy that was in the, the police guy and Susan Jordan, my trainer says she used to play tennis with him and he's a total chauvinist. And he's a total jerk. So they were protected by these people up there, right? Isn't that sick? It's sick. So that's the thing. So anyway he said though that he got five of those officers, when he filed his complaint in November, five of them wrote letters on his behalf. And that Jackie Barkhouse had them and that all the summer long I was thinking I've got to go get them from Jackie. Now that I know that they exist though I can subpoena them I guess.
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: I can subpoena them. But so that's just killer. You know because I asked him to you have any copies of those letters, can I get copies of those letters. Any he claimed he turned everything over to the union now that he's no longer working there and that they were going to pursue the complaint. And that he wanted to wash his hands of it and walk away but he did want to see them get fired.
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: now I don't know how much of this is truth or not.
Michelle: that's the problem. Figuring out what is truth or not.
Francesca: so but you never heard anything about this, huh?
Michelle: oh we don't hear anything anymore where we're at now. That's the point.
Francesca: I wonder, I'd love to see with those letters say.
Michelle: I know.
Francesca: so they must've seen them, Andrea must've seen them. You know. I'm sickened that Lori Scalero has gone on unimpeded. You know?
Michelle: I know.
Francesca: I really, that makes me so sick.
Michelle: oh I know. Me too but what can you do? That's the point?
Francesca: got to get something on her. We just do it, you know?
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: not be -- -- inaudible [25:00] -- -- anyway, all right. So that report is filed.
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: they'll get it tomorrow, they'll try to either call me or come there...
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: you know, We saw, I was at the point Pleasant Park about a week ago, it was about a week ago today actually and we saw the animal control truck pull up, the guy sat there for over an hour and watched dog after dog come through there without a leash on and without anything on into the park, like from the parking lot into the park. Out of like a dozen he stopped one woman and gave her a warning.
Michelle: yeah. Wow. That's it?
Francesca: yeah. And I was thinking we should call that, I was thinking we should report that, I could do it now but you can't change the time. I might do it now, what the heck because it would have been, let me think now. I do believe it was the day after Labor Day, that was a Tuesday and it was, I can tell you exactly the time because we met with Susan, we were supposed to meet her at 11:00 so it would have been, she was a little late so it was like 11:20 the truck pulled up and we were there for like an hour and 15 minutes. The truck left about five minutes before we did. My friend Linda had a very close view of him because she stayed in the parking lot and we were just a little bit into the park. But I saw from that side and she saw from the other side. Just all these dogs walking in there with their owners and they weren't, I mean there's an off leash section but you have to get to it through the park.
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: right? So that, whoever that person was on duty there just let all these dogs through and I think that's outrageous. And I've heard this happens a lot. And other things like that. So I don't know where that would go but I would like to report that.
Michelle: and they didn't do a thing.
Francesca: they didn't do a thing. Shall I call up animal control? They won't let go anywhere if I complain.
Michelle: not sure. You'd have to call up and do it anonymously.
Francesca: anonymously or give a different name?
Michelle: you don't have to give your name. No you don't.
Francesca: do they actually, the police won't do anything unless you give your name. If you call the police like there's noise or something, you have to give your name or they won't act on anything.
Michelle: oh I didn't know that.
Francesca: yeah
Michelle: I know here were not forced to take names.
Francesca: geez . So if you report like somebody's house like somebody you know they were trying to get my electricity cut off and trying to report me for violations of unsightly premises and all this stuff, they don't have to give their names?
Michelle: no.
Francesca: oh my Lord.
Michelle: no.
Francesca: well that's nice because I have some neighbors I might do that to. I do have unsightly premises there.
Michelle: that's true.
Francesca: shit.
Michelle: I know.
Francesca: that's outrageous.
Michelle: I know.
Francesca: all right that's good to know.
Michelle: yup.
Francesca: all right well have a good night.
Michelle: you too.
Francesca: and we'll see what happens. I think this was a good, thank you for suggesting to me this so...
Michelle: no problem.
Francesca: oh man.
Michelle: and I will check the system tomorrow night. I'll be on the rest of the week if you need anything.
Francesca: oh yes so you'll be there tomorrow? Okay. I'll call you tomorrow night at least if I don't hear from them tomorrow. Brilliant. I just think that if this lady, if she's going to report it at all, she's going to report it tomorrow.
Michelle: oh yeah.
Francesca: not the day after.
Michelle: but yours is already in the system so yours is above her anyways so
Francesca: so I'll call, I'll call you tomorrow night.
Michelle: yup.
Francesca: okay.
Michelle: yup. I'll be on.
Francesca: at midnight?
Michelle: yup. Well 11:30 or so. Between 11:00, I should be on.
Francesca: all right.
Michelle: yup.
Francesca: 11-ish. All right. Oh that's a good thing cause I can know to see if she's reported it.
Michelle: exactly.
Francesca: Oh perfect. Oh God bless you.
Michelle: no problem.
Francesca: really seriously. All right Michelle, I'll talk to you soon.
Michelle: okay.
Francesca: thanks. Good night.
Michelle: goodnight.
HERE ARE THE TAPES:
Michelle: HRM dispatch.
Bob: dispatch, yes, is Michelle working tonight?
Michelle: Michelle who?
Bob: just a minute. Michelle Steen.
Michelle: um, speaking.
Bob: -- -- inaudible -- -- Michelle Steen?
Michelle: yes
Bob: is that you?
Michelle: yes.
Bob: okay, hold on a minute, Michelle.
Francesca: Michelle? This is Francesca Rogier.
Michelle: oh hi.
Francesca: hi. Listen, um, a really stupid thing happened tonight and I'm really worried. Brindi got out of my, she just like, I got a new car today...
Michelle: yes.
Francesca: ... and I was just on my way home after being out all day long and it was nine o'clock at night and I'm just pulling into my driveway and I was bump [1 minute 4.3 seconds] there has very difficult window controls you know?
Michelle: right
Francesca: I thought it was up more than it was and there was a dog being walked right across my front property again and she jumped out the window and she started to fight with this dog and I jumped out and I separated them and the dog is fine. The dog wasn’t hurt or anything.
Michelle: but the dog, but the dog was loose and came on your property first, right?
Francesca: well you know they, it's about how you see property. They're walking along the road in front of my house right?
Michelle: but the dog was loose?
Francesca: no. It was being walked.
Michelle: okay.
Francesca: and Brindi, and Brindi jumped out, so like the thing is the dog is fine and but the people said they're going to report me and I'm really worried about that and I wondered if any calls came in tonight.
Michelle: hold on. That's the last thing you need right now.
Francesca says the Bob can you turn that fan off.
Michelle: um...
Francesca: sorry?
Michelle: that's the last thing you need right now, eh?
Francesca: um, hold on, I can't hear you very well.
Michelle: oh sorry.
Francesca: say that again?
Michelle: that's the last thing you need right now.
Francesca: I know. Exactly exactly Michelle. And I guess, and I was trying to save, it was a young couple and I don't know them. They just moved into the area and I don't know who they are and I'm trying to figure out, you know. And I was begging her not to call and she said I don't care about anything but my dog.
Michelle: but her dog was fine?
Francesca: her dog was fine. So it could have, it could've been hurt, it could have been hurt.
Michelle: what?
Francesca: so you know and so she says she was insisting she's going to call HRM. So, um, you haven't had any calls for the truck or anything tonight have you?
Michelle: I just came on shift.
Francesca: oh. Can you check the records?
Michelle: yeah, I am. Okay. It's loading. It's going to take a few minutes. I mean she may not call. Even if she does call, I mean, if there's nothing. Know what I mean?
Francesca: but they’d love to come and take her.
Michelle: I know, I know. What time was that around, you know?
Francesca: around nine o'clock.
Michelle: tonight?
Francesca talking to Bob -- -- inaudible -- --
Francesca: but you know Michelle, it kills, I'm focused, like I'm, like, this car is a manual and I'm trying to get used to that and then I got a get used to the new controls and I'm really good with mechanical stuff and it just galls me that like this was, you know.
Michelle: that's was around nine o'clock tonight?
Francesca: yeah, it was around 9 to 9:15 or something like that.
Michelle: HMM. It's not here under -- -- inaudible (sounds like an LT er) -- -- AML, let's check under -- -- inaudible -- -- cover all bases anyway. And that's the last you heard that she said she was going to call?
Francesca: yeah. Said you know, we're going to go home, going to see how the dog if she's okay. But we could see, her husband and I were looking at the dog under the light...it was a good street light,
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: and he didn't seem, I don't know if it's a he or she, didn't seem to be bleeding or doing anything and limping you know there wasn't anything. He was just kind of stunned. He came running back and you know. We're going to take him home, we're going to take him to the vet's tomorrow. And I'm going to call HRM. And that's like you know. But your dog is okay, you know. She she just was..
Michelle: but there was no marks on the dog?
Francesca: well, not that I could see under the street light.
Michelle: there's no call here. Like I said she may not have called yet, she might have...
Francesca: okay. But if she goes into the vets tomorrow and she tells them...
Michelle: who you are...
Francesca: Yep.
Michelle: I know. But I mean, even so. Did Brindi have her muzzle on? No she didn't, did she?
Francesca: yes.
Michelle: she did?
Francesca: well, I'm going to say yes.
Michelle: stick with it. You didn't hear that from me.
Francesca: -- -- inaudible -- -- because you know...
Michelle: because she supposed to have a muzzle on, isn't she?
Francesca: yeah.
Michelle: make sure she, she has a muzzle on
Francesca: you know this is the .. in and out of the car, in and out of the car all day long, muzzle on muzzle off you know?
Michelle: I know. But make sure she...
Francesca: yeah.
Michelle: don't even, don't say that at all.
Francesca: so you know...
Michelle: It's kept on and it's been on and the dog got hurt... basically, I mean I shouldn't be telling you this but what the hell. Basically blame it on the other dog. Even though Brindi is Brindi, you know, blame it on the other dog.
Francesca: so how do I explain how she got to it?
Michelle: what do you mean? She jumped out of the, how did happen she jumped out of the...
Francesca: window.
Michelle: right. The window was down and she jumped out and... those things happen. That's the thing I don't understand. Those things do happen.
Francesca: the whole thing about the, every time something, it was like those things happen every time
Michelle: I know.
Francesca: and you know, I can tell you that a good friend of mine has three dogs and one of them is a very aggressive female and another female and a male and a male and a female were running off one night for two hours when I went down to visit them with Brindi. And you know, nobody called HRM. They were gone for two hours and one neighbor finally said I've got your dogs on my porch.
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: in the meantime like you know, the aggressive female was home and was really, we were trying to get Brindi at her to get together. And this dog kept attacking Brindi.
Michelle: yup.
Francesca: and then a couple weeks later, I found, I was talked to this guy on the beach and he tells me that this dog, we figured out who it was because they live in a certain place and you can tell where you know who they are. This dog, she attacked his dog twice and each time ripped his apart, like you know cause like blood and stuff. And he was so sweet that he would never think of calling HRM.
Michelle: but this person is hateful and is going to call us.
Francesca: right and her dog is fine.
Michelle: exactly, but...
Francesca: the other irony is that my friend who has this other dog, she doesn't even realize that her dog did all that damage to the other dog cause he was too nice to even, he didn't even like get their phone number and call them or go back and tell them.
Michelle: yeah. But this persons insisting. But then again if she goes to the vet and there's nothing wrong with the dog she may not have anything to call us with. What's she going to say? The dog is what, stunned?
Francesca: all she can report is what she, what happened like at all. It doesn't have to be anything. You know what I mean? At this point they would love nothing more than to drag -- -- inaudible -- --, and say to everybody we were right all along.
Michelle: true.
Francesca: you know even if there isn't damage to the other dog. Nobody's going to quibble. Listen how many times do you see a photograph of damage that Brindi did to another dog?
Michelle: none.
Francesca: there isn't anything.
Michelle: no. Just like with this one there's not going to be one.
Francesca: but everyone believes it, and they all assume she's a pit bull and everybody, in the newspapers and stuff, they're willing to believe there was damage and they assume there must of been damage to the other dog. They say that she bit a dog three times or something. She didn't bite a dog three times. She didn't even bite the last one. She didn't even get a grip on the last one at all because the guy was kicking her in the head. This one, I grabbed her before anything you know so I don't know.
Michelle: but you grabbed her tonight before anything happened and you got complete control of her.
Francesca: yeah I grabbed her and she didn't try to fight with me, she didn't do anything to me and you know, she wasn't even growling or barking.
Michelle: okay then. And just basically say that the other dog attacked her, you had control of Brindi, but the other dog come at Brindi. You're basically going to have to get out of it.
Francesca: who is... when do you get off duty?
Michelle: eight o'clock tomorrow morning.
Francesca: okay. Oh it's going to be just, if they call it will be probably right after eight o'clock.
Michelle: yeah. Well the call center opens at seven so they might even get the call. I mean I can check the system right up to eight o'clock in the morning.
Francesca: hold on a second okay?
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca talking to Bob in the background about hanging up.
Francesca: okay. Go ahead. I'm sorry.
Michelle: oh that's alright. I can check the system right after eight o'clock tomorrow morning. But basically if she does report it, she may not, she may. If she does report it basically what you're going to have to do is blame the other dog completely. Brindi was fine, you had total control of her, she attacked the Brindi. Brindi was defending herself. Even though people may think, people may this, you have to blame the other -- -- -- do you have a witness?
Francesca: no. It's just that the couple, married couple, who own the dog and me. That's the only people.
Michelle: so it's them and you against each other?
Francesca: uh huh.
Michelle: so they don't have a witness either?
Francesca: no. But they don't care about those things in court. You know like I had a real witness at the time they took her and the guy was really neutral and the judge just made up this thing that I hired him. I never hired him to do anything. He just drove up and I just knew who he was. We had just met at once but I had never, I didn't know him. He's the one that drove up and honked his horn and that was that. But the judge, he discounted his testimony and used David Shea's testimony, the guy with the other dog, even though he changed his story three times. Never reported injuries at the very beginning, remember? Then he started claiming that later and he accepted his testimony even though I pointed all that out and I mean so that's like the problem even if there's witnesses. The judge would twist, they don't care.
Michelle: I know.
Francesca: they tend to go along and this is what the lawyer told me the first thing when I first hired the first lawyer. They go along with what the other dog owner says, they don't get real evidence, they didn't use the rules of evidence that they do for everything else when it comes to dogs.
Michelle: I know.
Francesca: and it's just is awful. And you, w when you first looked at the files I remember you saying way back when like what happened, this doesn't seem like very serious, I don't get, I don't understand why they did this, remember?
Michelle: yeah, I know.
Francesca: cause you were looking at that. Then you've seen other cases and stuff and I remember talking to you in the parking lot of the SPCA.
Michelle: Yep.
Francesca: but I can't, Michelle, my nerves are shot. I have PTSD as it is, okay? I scored up in the upper most range for the PTSD symptoms.
Michelle: I mean another thing I hate to say this...can you, I guess you got nowhere to take Brindi and hide her?
Francesca: Well I’m doing that now. I mean I’m not at my house now. I’m not at my house and I’m thinking of going outside of HRM but how long do I have to stay there you know? And I just need to know … I’ve been trying to get … I have this neighbour who like is a local hairdresser, but she’s like a Christian and she talks to people and she’s always very convincing and complacent .. but she will not .. I was begging her to talk to them and try to talk them out of reporting and she keeps telling me she doesn’t think it’s gonna work, she doesn’t think she can do it and that her husband wouldn’t want her to do it and blah, blah. I just need somebody to intercede because she says but you have to stand up .. you have to say it yourself
Michelle: you have.
Francesca: if I call them, they'll say I'm harrassing them. I can't expect them to listen to me. But if somebody else, this woman, she's my friend, I just saw her today, got my hair done today with her. And she prays with me. And she does all this stuff with me. And she won't do this. This is not something that she's been a lose anything you know.
Michelle: no. There's not even a mark on the dog. Unless her husband talks her out of doing it.
Francesca: that's my only hope. He's very quiet. He said some things at the beginning and then he was very quiet the rest of the time.
Michelle: like there's no mark on the dog if especially if Brindi didn't go all nuts and attack the dog...
Francesca: she didn't grab her...
Michelle: exactly
Francesca: she didn't get a hold of her.
Michelle: exactly.
Francesca: Brindi comes home and she sees a dog in front of her you know. I talked to the trainer we've been working with, I sent 400 dollars, I sent, wait a minute, more than 400, I spent 550 bucks or something on this trainer just on the trainer this summer. I spent all of my summer working with Brindi. I haven't done anything on my house, I haven't done anything finishing up my immigration, and I have a lawsuit -- -- inaudible -- -- to try and defend myself appealing against, they gave my lawyer 20,000 bucks, my ex-lawyer that screwed me over and on October 4th I'm supposed to be in court for this appeal thing and I have to get the paperwork in by the end of September on the 27th. And I have no I am in no shape to do that as it is. Plus the construction. I am barely holding it together and this is just going to, I am going to have a nervous breakdown. I begged somebody already tonight, somebody already turned me down. I said could I just put her with your dog. You've got a nice pen and she gets along with your dog. And he wouldn't do it. Do you know what excuse he gave me?
Michelle: what?
Francesca: well I can't because if they come for her my dog’s not registered. They are not even going to know where she is.
Michelle: exactly. They're not going to know where she is.
Francesca: that was the first thing out of his mouth. He wasn't going to help me. And this is a man who lives around the corner and he's like older and he's been trying to flirt with me and date me and all this stuff all the time. And if anything you need .. anything you need I’ll help you .. I’ll do whatever I can for you blah, blah, blah. But when you ask them. And I'm saying to Bob like I'm tired of depending on other people and for them to be -- -- inaudible -- --. I'm tired of asking for favors. I'm tired of all this stuff. This is gone it’s going to be two and a half years worth of this. You know. I am an independent person. I solve my own problems. But this has forced me to go make people for help. To write affidavits, do all this stuff, and I'm sick of it. You know. It's so humiliating and you feel like somebody else's whim is going to dictate your survival and your dog’s survival.
Michelle: you know I know. And as soon as they find out about this, this is going to be it.
Francesca: I just don’t know. I'm glad you're on duty tonight.
Michelle: yeah I'm on all week. Midnight shift is what I am on. Midnight until eight.
Francesca: midnight til eight.
Francesca: so do you know who's on after you in the morning?
Michelle: nobody. It's a call center. HRM call center.
Francesca: they don't have a special division doing the...
Michelle: they used to but not anymore. They are doing all their dispatch now.
Francesca: are you the only one on duty now?
Michelle: yes.
Francesca: and in the morning they'll have several people?
Michelle: the call center is open at seven so after seven anyone could take the call. I mean I can always check the system to make sure they haven't called. If there is a call that comes in I'll see it. Right?
Francesca: right before you go home. Because they didn't give me any warning last time, they just, I didn't even know it was reported and I just came four days later. But this time they're just going to come. I just know. I mean I don't even know if legally they can come and take her like that anymore. Because of what I did, you know, in the case.
Michelle: that's true.
Francesca: they'll still try to charge me and take me into court and try to use the same thing to try to kill her again in court, you know. I can't bear doing that. I just can't handle it anymore. I've been to court so many times. It kills you.
Michelle: it does I know. I know.
Francesca: I'm not going to be able to keep Brindi.
Michelle: well hopefully, well hopefully they won't report it. They haven't yet. If they take her to the vet and the vet says the dog is fine they've got nothing...
Francesca: she's mad, the lady is mad. They think, they don't care if the dog is fine or not. It's enough that she might have been hurt. That's all that they think about. I know this. This is the mentality and they... never mind that down the road there's another dog that really did rip another dog up twice. The same dog twice. And the guy doesn't call. I have the best of luck. I end up with the people who are thinking the most you know...
Michelle: can you put in a report on her dog anonymously? Just because someone puts in a report on her dog doesn't mean that I have to take a name and a phone number. We can put in will not provide. Say you put in, but then again that's going to antagonize her I guess I suppose.
Francesca: how would they put a report in anonymously tonight though?
Michelle: oh yeah. I guess dog running at large.
Francesca: you know what I could do is just report them now and just say that they attacked my dog.
Michelle: yes. That's what I'm thinking. They attacked. That way the tables are turned. They are left trying to defend their dog instead of them coming to us first and making Brindi look...
Francesca: oh there's the whole thing about the window was off.
Michelle: the window is broken, it was a warm day. Who doesn't drive with their damn windows down? I do.
Francesca: no but the thing is I was making sure they weren't halfway down. Like I was trying to keep them above halfway all day long and when it was light out I was able to do that because I could see that the window was open but it was dark. And I can't and like I said like I can even hit the switch and hit the right way. Like you pull them up to shut the window and push them down to close it or something and I'm sorry to open it. It's the opposite direction of my other car. Totally opposite direction of my other car. For a couple hours on the way home from, we were out in the valley and on the way back I'm just trying to handle the controls, you know, it's a five speed manual. And trying to get in this new car and get used to it. And I mean, Jesus Christ, it was like yeah it was out, it was like I couldn't just turn around and see this window and drive every second you know? And in the dark so you can't even see it. So like that's all that happened. But the thing is you know I, I won't talk about it but the leash and everything that whole condition was something also that I was watching out for all day long and perfectly well. And then I'm just in the last moments coming, I'm like a split-second away from my house coming home from the grocery store right up at Porters Lake two minutes away. And that's what... this isn't being recorded is it?
Michelle: no.
Francesca: okay. The thing is like I had her, I had, okay the muzzle and the leash, okay, the leash is to the collar and you put the muzzle on, she pulls. I used to use a gentle leader and when she's got the gentle leader she doesn't pull. And it's perfect. So what I did was put the leash onto the muzzle directly right? So that means though that if you take off the muzzle then the leash goes with it and usually I'd have to fumble around and separate them again and leash her up to the collar and I always had her in the car leashed up to the collar. But this time I didn't do it. It's always the one time I don't do it as something happens.
Michelle: I know.
Francesca: this one time and how often do people walk their dogs along the road in front of my house? Not very often. Hardly ever.
Michelle: I know.
Francesca: hardly ever. And at that time of day even less. Just like last time it was Sunday morning at 9:30. The place is deserted. You could walk up and down the road in your bra and panties and nobody would see you. Okay and that's got to be the time that this idiot is walking his dog.
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: and I don't even see him because I'm trying to tie her up in the back yard. That's how it works, you know? It's not like I let my dog loose and I don't go bother looking for it like these other people...
Francesca: Or I let my dog go and attack and I don't apologize and I don't even see how the dog is. That's not how I am. Not me. And, but I get punished like this. And it's, I just see because it's such a huge mess I can't bear it anymore. And I don't even have health insurance here yet because I don't have my immigration. All this stuff is screwed me up for all this time that I haven't solved all this stuff yet and I am so set back but I am just, I am just ready to call it quits. You know? I don't care if I live or die. I don't want anymore of this. Nobody can sort this out.
Michelle: no I know.
Francesca: you know?
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: and I don't want any body having her and screwing her up because people screw her up and I just you know I get, I got nowhere to go, I got no extra -- -- inaudible -- -- or anything. And now what I'm asking my people who were supposed to be my friends for help except for Bob you know and the core people here. And there's only so much they can do but when there is people who can do something and they won't then what, you know? Then there's no chance. And I can't convince them, and I can't persuade them. I can tell them very clearly look somebody else needs to speak for me and intercede and they turn around and tell me they don't think it will make any difference. That's wrong you know? Then why not try it before you decide that? Because for my sake, God Almighty, haven't I gone through enough? But there we go. And so yeah, if I knew this woman, I don't even know if we've got the right phone number. She didn't really even give it to me. But you know there's a Simmons in Conrad Settlement area. I thought she said her name was Simms. But it might be Simmons. But we can only find that in the -- -- inaudible -- --. 827 -- 4891, that didn't come up?
Michelle: what is it?
Francesca: 827 -- 4891?
Michelle: what is her address? I can look up under her address.
Francesca: she didn't give me her address for her phone number. I'm just trying to track her down from what they said. I thought her name was Kate Sims or Simmons. And her husband was Tyler or Tyson or something like that. It's scary when dogs fight and people get freaked out but they're not used to seeing dogs fight.
Michelle: but that doesn't mean, I mean my best friend has a dog .. well my niece? Yeah. She's had a call on hers now maybe twice. But we live in apartment and people, you know?
Francesca: yeah.
Michelle: [phone rings] can you hold on a second?
Francesca: sure.
Michelle: hold on.
Michelle takes a couple phone calls before returning to Francesca.
Francesca: hi, when you said hold on it became a busy signal.
Michelle: oh did it?
Francesca: yeah.
Michelle: I had another call. My supervisor forgot the cell phone. He's coming back in with it.
Francesca: okay, well, all right so you think, I really think this woman is going to call. I don't know cause when husbands are like that quiet I don't know. Maybe he could talk her out of it like if...
Michelle: or maybe the vet can because if there's nothing on the dog then they might think well why bother? -- -- inaudible -- --
Francesca: well see like the last time like I said David Shea's dog, he didn't even go to the vet and he didn't have any injuries and he did it anyway because there are all these rumors going around to.
Michelle: well hopefully they may not know who you are, and they may not recognize who you are and they may not know the history so they may not.
Francesca: well let's go back to your thought about filing this anonymous, you can take an anonymous tip?
Michelle: I can take any kind of anonymous report. I don't... say you call up a dead dog or a dead cat on the street. We don't always have to take your name and phone number. People call up with dog bark, people call up with barking dogs all the time and we don't have to take a name and phone number.
Francesca: you know Brindi was attacked at least seven times since I got her back and when she's had her muzzle on in public.
Michelle: the thing that makes it look good is that if you call first and report that her dog attacked Brindi versus...
Francesca: well that's what am wondering about because the truth is actually it has happened. Like I was at Martinique (?) Beach, it happened once they are.
Both talking at one time now so it's inaudible -- -- --
Michelle: what the heck dogs do that, you know?
Francesca: two times, two out of the seven times it was two dogs going after her. And at the last second we warded them off or something, you know? And um, she was really freaking out actually, but um...
Michelle: how was Brindi acting tonight?
Francesca: she very subdued because she knows that I'm furious. She's very subdued. But she was out all day like I said she's tired because we were out all day...
Michelle: how was Brindi acting with this other dog when this other dog came at her?
Francesca: what do you mean when the other dog came at her? Like she kind of startled them in a way. But the other dog and she were just kind of scrapping around like going around in circles.
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: and I just pulled her off in the other dog kind of went scampering away for awhile and then came back.
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: she must not like Beagles are or any dogs just in front of our house. The trainer was trying to theorize that she doesn't like tan dogs or she doesn't like this or that but it doesn't really matter. Like we went down to Point Pleasant Park three times and worked with her there but the one thing I wanted to do all along from day one was work in front of my god damn house.
Michelle: that's where the problem is
Francesca: but the trainer still didn't do that. Can you beat that? I was telling her all along that's what we need to do. Never. That's what we need to do, desensitize her there.
Michelle: So that's where it's happening?
Francesca: yes. And she wasn't at fault but you know it took a long time to get a good trainer, she's at least a really good person. I should call her in the morning, because I called her tonight and I'll tell her what I'm going to say and I'll tell her that she had her muzzle on all this stuff but you know she lives in Fall River so it's far from East Chezzetcook so I don't think she really wanted to come out. She came out to the Porter Lake kennel and stuff
Francesca: but trying to find a combination of someone who's able and willing to get to you and there's also the trainer and all these things it's really hard but yeah, I spent like 550 bucks and it should have been more actually. She gave me a discount because we put in tons of hours. But anyway I could say because she has been attacked several times already that I said I've had it now this time I'm reporting it. I could say that. I'm not very good at this but I can say that
Michelle: true.
Francesca: and it was seven times and I even wrote down a list of them somewhere in my house. It's not my computer unfortunately but I could probably work it out if I think back and remember the dates. You know like remember when it happened and I can figure out the dates but she was with muzzle, with her muzzle so I could say that. I mean we were getting out of the car, I just got groceries, right? We're getting out of car, letting her out of the car and this dog ran up and got her. Tried to get her.
Michelle: true.
Francesca: you know because I was right there
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: And these people were telling, whatever they are saying is wrong. So I could, I could file a report right now with you. I don't know. How long, how long are you going to be there? All night long
Michelle: oh yeah. You've got all night to think about it and even if they reported tonight it's got to come to me.
Francesca: oh good.
Michelle: so at least until seven o'clock I'm the only one here to take their report. I wish they would call during the middle of the night.
Francesca: I was going to say if they go to the vet and then wait to decide or wait to call...
Michelle: unless they decide to go to animal emergency which I doubt because that's expensive.
Francesca: no no no, it's not an emergency. No. But if they go to the vet it would be after 8 AM right? So...
Michelle: yeah that's true.
Francesca: I swear it's too bad you wouldn't be on after that but you can't be.
Michelle: no, no.
Francesca: you don't know who's going to be on that there's going to be several people.
Michelle: we're not even located in that area anymore. We're in the same building just different part of the building now. We're basically here by ourselves.
Francesca: I'm going to have to -- -- inaudible -- -- in their dog.
Michelle: but I mean you've got all night to decide what you want to do and how you want to...
Francesca: right I was just going to say if I think about it I'll call you.
Michelle: exactly. I'm here until at least eight o'clock tomorrow morning.
Francesca: and then what would happen? It would go, what do you think animal control would do?
Michelle: they would probably visit them and you know, or especially where you don't have, you just have their name you don't have, you know. They might just chalk it off to you know...
Francesca: it would look better if I reported it first for sure, right?
Michelle: true. But whoever you're with tonight, talk it over, discuss it, you've got all night to decide basically what you're going to do. Cause there's no guarantee they will call and there's no guarantee they won't. I don't, I don't know.
Francesca: if I make every port and they don't call...
Michelle: exactly.
Francesca: um, then what, cause I'm wondering like maybe, maybe I could say I don't even know their names.
Michelle: true.
Francesca: right, and then so it would be on record that I called but it wouldn't be that they would go out and try to find them and talk to them?
Michelle: right. I would say this is what happened and I just took the report and this is the description of the dog in the area no last name nothing in this way there is a report in of something happening with this other dog instead of them calling oh Brindi attacked another dog blah, blah, blah.
Francesca: you would take the report even though I don't know the name of the owners?
Michelle: I would fill it in as fast as I could yeah.
Francesca: okay, I didn't know that. See I didn't report the other things.
Michelle: but I mean like I said don't rush into it think about it...
Francesca: no, right... it would be the best insurance really, wouldn't it?
Michelle: in a sense, in a sense. Instead of waiting for them to call then you're the one who's got to defend Brindi. This way the shoe is on the other foot. They've got to defend their dog.
Francesca: and it would be like the two of them against me but the thing is they're both married so...
Michelle: exactly.
Francesca: they're going to say the same thing
Michelle: well exactly. Well, I should let you go.
Francesca: all right.
Michelle: we've only got one line here we are.
Francesca: okay well thank you very much
Michelle: no problem. And like I said I'm here all night and if I hear anything I'll let you know.
Francesca: all right. I'll watch my cell.
Michelle: no problem.
Francesca: bye-bye.
Michelle: bye.
Now Fran lie your way out of this!!
Bob: dispatch, yes, is Michelle working tonight?
Michelle: Michelle who?
Bob: just a minute. Michelle Steen.
Michelle: um, speaking.
Bob: -- -- inaudible -- -- Michelle Steen?
Michelle: yes
Bob: is that you?
Michelle: yes.
Bob: okay, hold on a minute, Michelle.
Francesca: Michelle? This is Francesca Rogier.
Michelle: oh hi.
Francesca: hi. Listen, um, a really stupid thing happened tonight and I'm really worried. Brindi got out of my, she just like, I got a new car today...
Michelle: yes.
Francesca: ... and I was just on my way home after being out all day long and it was nine o'clock at night and I'm just pulling into my driveway and I was bump [1 minute 4.3 seconds] there has very difficult window controls you know?
Michelle: right
Francesca: I thought it was up more than it was and there was a dog being walked right across my front property again and she jumped out the window and she started to fight with this dog and I jumped out and I separated them and the dog is fine. The dog wasn’t hurt or anything.
Michelle: but the dog, but the dog was loose and came on your property first, right?
Francesca: well you know they, it's about how you see property. They're walking along the road in front of my house right?
Michelle: but the dog was loose?
Francesca: no. It was being walked.
Michelle: okay.
Francesca: and Brindi, and Brindi jumped out, so like the thing is the dog is fine and but the people said they're going to report me and I'm really worried about that and I wondered if any calls came in tonight.
Michelle: hold on. That's the last thing you need right now.
Francesca says the Bob can you turn that fan off.
Michelle: um...
Francesca: sorry?
Michelle: that's the last thing you need right now, eh?
Francesca: um, hold on, I can't hear you very well.
Michelle: oh sorry.
Francesca: say that again?
Michelle: that's the last thing you need right now.
Francesca: I know. Exactly exactly Michelle. And I guess, and I was trying to save, it was a young couple and I don't know them. They just moved into the area and I don't know who they are and I'm trying to figure out, you know. And I was begging her not to call and she said I don't care about anything but my dog.
Michelle: but her dog was fine?
Francesca: her dog was fine. So it could have, it could've been hurt, it could have been hurt.
Michelle: what?
Francesca: so you know and so she says she was insisting she's going to call HRM. So, um, you haven't had any calls for the truck or anything tonight have you?
Michelle: I just came on shift.
Francesca: oh. Can you check the records?
Michelle: yeah, I am. Okay. It's loading. It's going to take a few minutes. I mean she may not call. Even if she does call, I mean, if there's nothing. Know what I mean?
Francesca: but they’d love to come and take her.
Michelle: I know, I know. What time was that around, you know?
Francesca: around nine o'clock.
Michelle: tonight?
Francesca talking to Bob -- -- inaudible -- --
Francesca: but you know Michelle, it kills, I'm focused, like I'm, like, this car is a manual and I'm trying to get used to that and then I got a get used to the new controls and I'm really good with mechanical stuff and it just galls me that like this was, you know.
Michelle: that's was around nine o'clock tonight?
Francesca: yeah, it was around 9 to 9:15 or something like that.
Michelle: HMM. It's not here under -- -- inaudible (sounds like an LT er) -- -- AML, let's check under -- -- inaudible -- -- cover all bases anyway. And that's the last you heard that she said she was going to call?
Francesca: yeah. Said you know, we're going to go home, going to see how the dog if she's okay. But we could see, her husband and I were looking at the dog under the light...it was a good street light,
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: and he didn't seem, I don't know if it's a he or she, didn't seem to be bleeding or doing anything and limping you know there wasn't anything. He was just kind of stunned. He came running back and you know. We're going to take him home, we're going to take him to the vet's tomorrow. And I'm going to call HRM. And that's like you know. But your dog is okay, you know. She she just was..
Michelle: but there was no marks on the dog?
Francesca: well, not that I could see under the street light.
Michelle: there's no call here. Like I said she may not have called yet, she might have...
Francesca: okay. But if she goes into the vets tomorrow and she tells them...
Michelle: who you are...
Francesca: Yep.
Michelle: I know. But I mean, even so. Did Brindi have her muzzle on? No she didn't, did she?
Francesca: yes.
Michelle: she did?
Francesca: well, I'm going to say yes.
Michelle: stick with it. You didn't hear that from me.
Francesca: -- -- inaudible -- -- because you know...
Michelle: because she supposed to have a muzzle on, isn't she?
Francesca: yeah.
Michelle: make sure she, she has a muzzle on
Francesca: you know this is the .. in and out of the car, in and out of the car all day long, muzzle on muzzle off you know?
Michelle: I know. But make sure she...
Francesca: yeah.
Michelle: don't even, don't say that at all.
Francesca: so you know...
Michelle: It's kept on and it's been on and the dog got hurt... basically, I mean I shouldn't be telling you this but what the hell. Basically blame it on the other dog. Even though Brindi is Brindi, you know, blame it on the other dog.
Francesca: so how do I explain how she got to it?
Michelle: what do you mean? She jumped out of the, how did happen she jumped out of the...
Francesca: window.
Michelle: right. The window was down and she jumped out and... those things happen. That's the thing I don't understand. Those things do happen.
Francesca: the whole thing about the, every time something, it was like those things happen every time
Michelle: I know.
Francesca: and you know, I can tell you that a good friend of mine has three dogs and one of them is a very aggressive female and another female and a male and a male and a female were running off one night for two hours when I went down to visit them with Brindi. And you know, nobody called HRM. They were gone for two hours and one neighbor finally said I've got your dogs on my porch.
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: in the meantime like you know, the aggressive female was home and was really, we were trying to get Brindi at her to get together. And this dog kept attacking Brindi.
Michelle: yup.
Francesca: and then a couple weeks later, I found, I was talked to this guy on the beach and he tells me that this dog, we figured out who it was because they live in a certain place and you can tell where you know who they are. This dog, she attacked his dog twice and each time ripped his apart, like you know cause like blood and stuff. And he was so sweet that he would never think of calling HRM.
Michelle: but this person is hateful and is going to call us.
Francesca: right and her dog is fine.
Michelle: exactly, but...
Francesca: the other irony is that my friend who has this other dog, she doesn't even realize that her dog did all that damage to the other dog cause he was too nice to even, he didn't even like get their phone number and call them or go back and tell them.
Michelle: yeah. But this persons insisting. But then again if she goes to the vet and there's nothing wrong with the dog she may not have anything to call us with. What's she going to say? The dog is what, stunned?
Francesca: all she can report is what she, what happened like at all. It doesn't have to be anything. You know what I mean? At this point they would love nothing more than to drag -- -- inaudible -- --, and say to everybody we were right all along.
Michelle: true.
Francesca: you know even if there isn't damage to the other dog. Nobody's going to quibble. Listen how many times do you see a photograph of damage that Brindi did to another dog?
Michelle: none.
Francesca: there isn't anything.
Michelle: no. Just like with this one there's not going to be one.
Francesca: but everyone believes it, and they all assume she's a pit bull and everybody, in the newspapers and stuff, they're willing to believe there was damage and they assume there must of been damage to the other dog. They say that she bit a dog three times or something. She didn't bite a dog three times. She didn't even bite the last one. She didn't even get a grip on the last one at all because the guy was kicking her in the head. This one, I grabbed her before anything you know so I don't know.
Michelle: but you grabbed her tonight before anything happened and you got complete control of her.
Francesca: yeah I grabbed her and she didn't try to fight with me, she didn't do anything to me and you know, she wasn't even growling or barking.
Michelle: okay then. And just basically say that the other dog attacked her, you had control of Brindi, but the other dog come at Brindi. You're basically going to have to get out of it.
Francesca: who is... when do you get off duty?
Michelle: eight o'clock tomorrow morning.
Francesca: okay. Oh it's going to be just, if they call it will be probably right after eight o'clock.
Michelle: yeah. Well the call center opens at seven so they might even get the call. I mean I can check the system right up to eight o'clock in the morning.
Francesca: hold on a second okay?
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca talking to Bob in the background about hanging up.
Francesca: okay. Go ahead. I'm sorry.
Michelle: oh that's alright. I can check the system right after eight o'clock tomorrow morning. But basically if she does report it, she may not, she may. If she does report it basically what you're going to have to do is blame the other dog completely. Brindi was fine, you had total control of her, she attacked the Brindi. Brindi was defending herself. Even though people may think, people may this, you have to blame the other -- -- -- do you have a witness?
Francesca: no. It's just that the couple, married couple, who own the dog and me. That's the only people.
Michelle: so it's them and you against each other?
Francesca: uh huh.
Michelle: so they don't have a witness either?
Francesca: no. But they don't care about those things in court. You know like I had a real witness at the time they took her and the guy was really neutral and the judge just made up this thing that I hired him. I never hired him to do anything. He just drove up and I just knew who he was. We had just met at once but I had never, I didn't know him. He's the one that drove up and honked his horn and that was that. But the judge, he discounted his testimony and used David Shea's testimony, the guy with the other dog, even though he changed his story three times. Never reported injuries at the very beginning, remember? Then he started claiming that later and he accepted his testimony even though I pointed all that out and I mean so that's like the problem even if there's witnesses. The judge would twist, they don't care.
Michelle: I know.
Francesca: they tend to go along and this is what the lawyer told me the first thing when I first hired the first lawyer. They go along with what the other dog owner says, they don't get real evidence, they didn't use the rules of evidence that they do for everything else when it comes to dogs.
Michelle: I know.
Francesca: and it's just is awful. And you, w when you first looked at the files I remember you saying way back when like what happened, this doesn't seem like very serious, I don't get, I don't understand why they did this, remember?
Michelle: yeah, I know.
Francesca: cause you were looking at that. Then you've seen other cases and stuff and I remember talking to you in the parking lot of the SPCA.
Michelle: Yep.
Francesca: but I can't, Michelle, my nerves are shot. I have PTSD as it is, okay? I scored up in the upper most range for the PTSD symptoms.
Michelle: I mean another thing I hate to say this...can you, I guess you got nowhere to take Brindi and hide her?
Francesca: Well I’m doing that now. I mean I’m not at my house now. I’m not at my house and I’m thinking of going outside of HRM but how long do I have to stay there you know? And I just need to know … I’ve been trying to get … I have this neighbour who like is a local hairdresser, but she’s like a Christian and she talks to people and she’s always very convincing and complacent .. but she will not .. I was begging her to talk to them and try to talk them out of reporting and she keeps telling me she doesn’t think it’s gonna work, she doesn’t think she can do it and that her husband wouldn’t want her to do it and blah, blah. I just need somebody to intercede because she says but you have to stand up .. you have to say it yourself
Michelle: you have.
Francesca: if I call them, they'll say I'm harrassing them. I can't expect them to listen to me. But if somebody else, this woman, she's my friend, I just saw her today, got my hair done today with her. And she prays with me. And she does all this stuff with me. And she won't do this. This is not something that she's been a lose anything you know.
Michelle: no. There's not even a mark on the dog. Unless her husband talks her out of doing it.
Francesca: that's my only hope. He's very quiet. He said some things at the beginning and then he was very quiet the rest of the time.
Michelle: like there's no mark on the dog if especially if Brindi didn't go all nuts and attack the dog...
Francesca: she didn't grab her...
Michelle: exactly
Francesca: she didn't get a hold of her.
Michelle: exactly.
Francesca: Brindi comes home and she sees a dog in front of her you know. I talked to the trainer we've been working with, I sent 400 dollars, I sent, wait a minute, more than 400, I spent 550 bucks or something on this trainer just on the trainer this summer. I spent all of my summer working with Brindi. I haven't done anything on my house, I haven't done anything finishing up my immigration, and I have a lawsuit -- -- inaudible -- -- to try and defend myself appealing against, they gave my lawyer 20,000 bucks, my ex-lawyer that screwed me over and on October 4th I'm supposed to be in court for this appeal thing and I have to get the paperwork in by the end of September on the 27th. And I have no I am in no shape to do that as it is. Plus the construction. I am barely holding it together and this is just going to, I am going to have a nervous breakdown. I begged somebody already tonight, somebody already turned me down. I said could I just put her with your dog. You've got a nice pen and she gets along with your dog. And he wouldn't do it. Do you know what excuse he gave me?
Michelle: what?
Francesca: well I can't because if they come for her my dog’s not registered. They are not even going to know where she is.
Michelle: exactly. They're not going to know where she is.
Francesca: that was the first thing out of his mouth. He wasn't going to help me. And this is a man who lives around the corner and he's like older and he's been trying to flirt with me and date me and all this stuff all the time. And if anything you need .. anything you need I’ll help you .. I’ll do whatever I can for you blah, blah, blah. But when you ask them. And I'm saying to Bob like I'm tired of depending on other people and for them to be -- -- inaudible -- --. I'm tired of asking for favors. I'm tired of all this stuff. This is gone it’s going to be two and a half years worth of this. You know. I am an independent person. I solve my own problems. But this has forced me to go make people for help. To write affidavits, do all this stuff, and I'm sick of it. You know. It's so humiliating and you feel like somebody else's whim is going to dictate your survival and your dog’s survival.
Michelle: you know I know. And as soon as they find out about this, this is going to be it.
Francesca: I just don’t know. I'm glad you're on duty tonight.
Michelle: yeah I'm on all week. Midnight shift is what I am on. Midnight until eight.
Francesca: midnight til eight.
Francesca: so do you know who's on after you in the morning?
Michelle: nobody. It's a call center. HRM call center.
Francesca: they don't have a special division doing the...
Michelle: they used to but not anymore. They are doing all their dispatch now.
Francesca: are you the only one on duty now?
Michelle: yes.
Francesca: and in the morning they'll have several people?
Michelle: the call center is open at seven so after seven anyone could take the call. I mean I can always check the system to make sure they haven't called. If there is a call that comes in I'll see it. Right?
Francesca: right before you go home. Because they didn't give me any warning last time, they just, I didn't even know it was reported and I just came four days later. But this time they're just going to come. I just know. I mean I don't even know if legally they can come and take her like that anymore. Because of what I did, you know, in the case.
Michelle: that's true.
Francesca: they'll still try to charge me and take me into court and try to use the same thing to try to kill her again in court, you know. I can't bear doing that. I just can't handle it anymore. I've been to court so many times. It kills you.
Michelle: it does I know. I know.
Francesca: I'm not going to be able to keep Brindi.
Michelle: well hopefully, well hopefully they won't report it. They haven't yet. If they take her to the vet and the vet says the dog is fine they've got nothing...
Francesca: she's mad, the lady is mad. They think, they don't care if the dog is fine or not. It's enough that she might have been hurt. That's all that they think about. I know this. This is the mentality and they... never mind that down the road there's another dog that really did rip another dog up twice. The same dog twice. And the guy doesn't call. I have the best of luck. I end up with the people who are thinking the most you know...
Michelle: can you put in a report on her dog anonymously? Just because someone puts in a report on her dog doesn't mean that I have to take a name and a phone number. We can put in will not provide. Say you put in, but then again that's going to antagonize her I guess I suppose.
Francesca: how would they put a report in anonymously tonight though?
Michelle: oh yeah. I guess dog running at large.
Francesca: you know what I could do is just report them now and just say that they attacked my dog.
Michelle: yes. That's what I'm thinking. They attacked. That way the tables are turned. They are left trying to defend their dog instead of them coming to us first and making Brindi look...
Francesca: oh there's the whole thing about the window was off.
Michelle: the window is broken, it was a warm day. Who doesn't drive with their damn windows down? I do.
Francesca: no but the thing is I was making sure they weren't halfway down. Like I was trying to keep them above halfway all day long and when it was light out I was able to do that because I could see that the window was open but it was dark. And I can't and like I said like I can even hit the switch and hit the right way. Like you pull them up to shut the window and push them down to close it or something and I'm sorry to open it. It's the opposite direction of my other car. Totally opposite direction of my other car. For a couple hours on the way home from, we were out in the valley and on the way back I'm just trying to handle the controls, you know, it's a five speed manual. And trying to get in this new car and get used to it. And I mean, Jesus Christ, it was like yeah it was out, it was like I couldn't just turn around and see this window and drive every second you know? And in the dark so you can't even see it. So like that's all that happened. But the thing is you know I, I won't talk about it but the leash and everything that whole condition was something also that I was watching out for all day long and perfectly well. And then I'm just in the last moments coming, I'm like a split-second away from my house coming home from the grocery store right up at Porters Lake two minutes away. And that's what... this isn't being recorded is it?
Michelle: no.
Francesca: okay. The thing is like I had her, I had, okay the muzzle and the leash, okay, the leash is to the collar and you put the muzzle on, she pulls. I used to use a gentle leader and when she's got the gentle leader she doesn't pull. And it's perfect. So what I did was put the leash onto the muzzle directly right? So that means though that if you take off the muzzle then the leash goes with it and usually I'd have to fumble around and separate them again and leash her up to the collar and I always had her in the car leashed up to the collar. But this time I didn't do it. It's always the one time I don't do it as something happens.
Michelle: I know.
Francesca: this one time and how often do people walk their dogs along the road in front of my house? Not very often. Hardly ever.
Michelle: I know.
Francesca: hardly ever. And at that time of day even less. Just like last time it was Sunday morning at 9:30. The place is deserted. You could walk up and down the road in your bra and panties and nobody would see you. Okay and that's got to be the time that this idiot is walking his dog.
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: and I don't even see him because I'm trying to tie her up in the back yard. That's how it works, you know? It's not like I let my dog loose and I don't go bother looking for it like these other people...
Francesca: Or I let my dog go and attack and I don't apologize and I don't even see how the dog is. That's not how I am. Not me. And, but I get punished like this. And it's, I just see because it's such a huge mess I can't bear it anymore. And I don't even have health insurance here yet because I don't have my immigration. All this stuff is screwed me up for all this time that I haven't solved all this stuff yet and I am so set back but I am just, I am just ready to call it quits. You know? I don't care if I live or die. I don't want anymore of this. Nobody can sort this out.
Michelle: no I know.
Francesca: you know?
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: and I don't want any body having her and screwing her up because people screw her up and I just you know I get, I got nowhere to go, I got no extra -- -- inaudible -- -- or anything. And now what I'm asking my people who were supposed to be my friends for help except for Bob you know and the core people here. And there's only so much they can do but when there is people who can do something and they won't then what, you know? Then there's no chance. And I can't convince them, and I can't persuade them. I can tell them very clearly look somebody else needs to speak for me and intercede and they turn around and tell me they don't think it will make any difference. That's wrong you know? Then why not try it before you decide that? Because for my sake, God Almighty, haven't I gone through enough? But there we go. And so yeah, if I knew this woman, I don't even know if we've got the right phone number. She didn't really even give it to me. But you know there's a Simmons in Conrad Settlement area. I thought she said her name was Simms. But it might be Simmons. But we can only find that in the -- -- inaudible -- --. 827 -- 4891, that didn't come up?
Michelle: what is it?
Francesca: 827 -- 4891?
Michelle: what is her address? I can look up under her address.
Francesca: she didn't give me her address for her phone number. I'm just trying to track her down from what they said. I thought her name was Kate Sims or Simmons. And her husband was Tyler or Tyson or something like that. It's scary when dogs fight and people get freaked out but they're not used to seeing dogs fight.
Michelle: but that doesn't mean, I mean my best friend has a dog .. well my niece? Yeah. She's had a call on hers now maybe twice. But we live in apartment and people, you know?
Francesca: yeah.
Michelle: [phone rings] can you hold on a second?
Francesca: sure.
Michelle: hold on.
Michelle takes a couple phone calls before returning to Francesca.
Francesca: hi, when you said hold on it became a busy signal.
Michelle: oh did it?
Francesca: yeah.
Michelle: I had another call. My supervisor forgot the cell phone. He's coming back in with it.
Francesca: okay, well, all right so you think, I really think this woman is going to call. I don't know cause when husbands are like that quiet I don't know. Maybe he could talk her out of it like if...
Michelle: or maybe the vet can because if there's nothing on the dog then they might think well why bother? -- -- inaudible -- --
Francesca: well see like the last time like I said David Shea's dog, he didn't even go to the vet and he didn't have any injuries and he did it anyway because there are all these rumors going around to.
Michelle: well hopefully they may not know who you are, and they may not recognize who you are and they may not know the history so they may not.
Francesca: well let's go back to your thought about filing this anonymous, you can take an anonymous tip?
Michelle: I can take any kind of anonymous report. I don't... say you call up a dead dog or a dead cat on the street. We don't always have to take your name and phone number. People call up with dog bark, people call up with barking dogs all the time and we don't have to take a name and phone number.
Francesca: you know Brindi was attacked at least seven times since I got her back and when she's had her muzzle on in public.
Michelle: the thing that makes it look good is that if you call first and report that her dog attacked Brindi versus...
Francesca: well that's what am wondering about because the truth is actually it has happened. Like I was at Martinique (?) Beach, it happened once they are.
Both talking at one time now so it's inaudible -- -- --
Michelle: what the heck dogs do that, you know?
Francesca: two times, two out of the seven times it was two dogs going after her. And at the last second we warded them off or something, you know? And um, she was really freaking out actually, but um...
Michelle: how was Brindi acting tonight?
Francesca: she very subdued because she knows that I'm furious. She's very subdued. But she was out all day like I said she's tired because we were out all day...
Michelle: how was Brindi acting with this other dog when this other dog came at her?
Francesca: what do you mean when the other dog came at her? Like she kind of startled them in a way. But the other dog and she were just kind of scrapping around like going around in circles.
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: and I just pulled her off in the other dog kind of went scampering away for awhile and then came back.
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: she must not like Beagles are or any dogs just in front of our house. The trainer was trying to theorize that she doesn't like tan dogs or she doesn't like this or that but it doesn't really matter. Like we went down to Point Pleasant Park three times and worked with her there but the one thing I wanted to do all along from day one was work in front of my god damn house.
Michelle: that's where the problem is
Francesca: but the trainer still didn't do that. Can you beat that? I was telling her all along that's what we need to do. Never. That's what we need to do, desensitize her there.
Michelle: So that's where it's happening?
Francesca: yes. And she wasn't at fault but you know it took a long time to get a good trainer, she's at least a really good person. I should call her in the morning, because I called her tonight and I'll tell her what I'm going to say and I'll tell her that she had her muzzle on all this stuff but you know she lives in Fall River so it's far from East Chezzetcook so I don't think she really wanted to come out. She came out to the Porter Lake kennel and stuff
Francesca: but trying to find a combination of someone who's able and willing to get to you and there's also the trainer and all these things it's really hard but yeah, I spent like 550 bucks and it should have been more actually. She gave me a discount because we put in tons of hours. But anyway I could say because she has been attacked several times already that I said I've had it now this time I'm reporting it. I could say that. I'm not very good at this but I can say that
Michelle: true.
Francesca: and it was seven times and I even wrote down a list of them somewhere in my house. It's not my computer unfortunately but I could probably work it out if I think back and remember the dates. You know like remember when it happened and I can figure out the dates but she was with muzzle, with her muzzle so I could say that. I mean we were getting out of the car, I just got groceries, right? We're getting out of car, letting her out of the car and this dog ran up and got her. Tried to get her.
Michelle: true.
Francesca: you know because I was right there
Michelle: yeah.
Francesca: And these people were telling, whatever they are saying is wrong. So I could, I could file a report right now with you. I don't know. How long, how long are you going to be there? All night long
Michelle: oh yeah. You've got all night to think about it and even if they reported tonight it's got to come to me.
Francesca: oh good.
Michelle: so at least until seven o'clock I'm the only one here to take their report. I wish they would call during the middle of the night.
Francesca: I was going to say if they go to the vet and then wait to decide or wait to call...
Michelle: unless they decide to go to animal emergency which I doubt because that's expensive.
Francesca: no no no, it's not an emergency. No. But if they go to the vet it would be after 8 AM right? So...
Michelle: yeah that's true.
Francesca: I swear it's too bad you wouldn't be on after that but you can't be.
Michelle: no, no.
Francesca: you don't know who's going to be on that there's going to be several people.
Michelle: we're not even located in that area anymore. We're in the same building just different part of the building now. We're basically here by ourselves.
Francesca: I'm going to have to -- -- inaudible -- -- in their dog.
Michelle: but I mean you've got all night to decide what you want to do and how you want to...
Francesca: right I was just going to say if I think about it I'll call you.
Michelle: exactly. I'm here until at least eight o'clock tomorrow morning.
Francesca: and then what would happen? It would go, what do you think animal control would do?
Michelle: they would probably visit them and you know, or especially where you don't have, you just have their name you don't have, you know. They might just chalk it off to you know...
Francesca: it would look better if I reported it first for sure, right?
Michelle: true. But whoever you're with tonight, talk it over, discuss it, you've got all night to decide basically what you're going to do. Cause there's no guarantee they will call and there's no guarantee they won't. I don't, I don't know.
Francesca: if I make every port and they don't call...
Michelle: exactly.
Francesca: um, then what, cause I'm wondering like maybe, maybe I could say I don't even know their names.
Michelle: true.
Francesca: right, and then so it would be on record that I called but it wouldn't be that they would go out and try to find them and talk to them?
Michelle: right. I would say this is what happened and I just took the report and this is the description of the dog in the area no last name nothing in this way there is a report in of something happening with this other dog instead of them calling oh Brindi attacked another dog blah, blah, blah.
Francesca: you would take the report even though I don't know the name of the owners?
Michelle: I would fill it in as fast as I could yeah.
Francesca: okay, I didn't know that. See I didn't report the other things.
Michelle: but I mean like I said don't rush into it think about it...
Francesca: no, right... it would be the best insurance really, wouldn't it?
Michelle: in a sense, in a sense. Instead of waiting for them to call then you're the one who's got to defend Brindi. This way the shoe is on the other foot. They've got to defend their dog.
Francesca: and it would be like the two of them against me but the thing is they're both married so...
Michelle: exactly.
Francesca: they're going to say the same thing
Michelle: well exactly. Well, I should let you go.
Francesca: all right.
Michelle: we've only got one line here we are.
Francesca: okay well thank you very much
Michelle: no problem. And like I said I'm here all night and if I hear anything I'll let you know.
Francesca: all right. I'll watch my cell.
Michelle: no problem.
Francesca: bye-bye.
Michelle: bye.
Now Fran lie your way out of this!!
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